Ramblings of a Restless Mind

[00:00:00] Speaker 4: One of my favorite people on the entire planet is our guest.

[00:00:08] Speaker 3: This is probably will be the most meaningful podcast episode that I ever do. Oh, we're starting with a What's up? That's for me. Hello Ramblers. What is up? I will never get tired of that jingle. I always. Jingle to the jingle. You know what I mean?

[00:00:34] Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I jingle my jingle to the jingle. Yeah. Girl, I helped. Hell,

[00:00:38] Speaker 3: you hell. Mm. What's up Ramblers? Welcome back to another episode of Ramblers With, of the Restless Mind.

Thank you for joining us again, or if this is your first time, welcome. We're, we're happy to have you Welcome. Um, still getting used to the cameras after we've done several episodes like this, but this still feels weird to look at the camera there. Um, but uh, yeah, thanks for joining us and it is spring.

Spring has sprung. We are here. The weather in North Carolina is not decided, uh, really where we're at. Um, but that's pretty typical for us, I suppose. So we hope that Spring is treating you well. Yeah. And happy May.

[00:01:15] Speaker 4: Yep.

[00:01:15] Speaker 3: Here we are.

[00:01:17] Speaker 4: There's, there's so much going on, right?

That this is a very normal thing with a lot of conversations I've been having with people that all of a sudden like. Huh? Oh shoot. I was double layering. Like I was worrying about this while we were talking about this, and then I just got distracted and moved on

[00:01:31] Speaker 3: and

[00:01:31] Speaker 4: just so it's totally, this is totally normal right now.

Yeah. There's a lot of shit going on.

[00:01:36] Speaker 3: There is

[00:01:37] Speaker 4: always. So we are gonna, we are gonna brain in positivity. Yes. Because. One of my favorite people on the entire planet is our guest.

[00:01:53] Speaker 3: Yeah. No, honestly, I could not be more excited. This is probably will be the most meaningful podcast episode that I ever do. Um, and we, we've talked a lot about our guest before on the podcast. Yeah. Yes. And, um,

[00:02:05] Speaker 4: she is, uh, she's one of the cool kids.

[00:02:07] Speaker 3: She is.

[00:02:07] Speaker 4: We, we have, she's still voted in on the island.

[00:02:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.

She's in the circle of trust.

[00:02:13] Speaker 4: It's in the circle of trust.

[00:02:16] Speaker 3: Um, and gosh, how do I describe this person? Um, she is a whopping five two.

[00:02:23] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[00:02:24] Speaker 3: She'd be we, but, but, uh, is a true definition and that, uh, sizes not matter when it comes to strength and resilience and love and fun. Yep. Throwing kick ass parties at her amazing Casa.

Mm-hmm. Also known as the venue. Yep. Um, she is always down for a themed party. Listen, you want the

[00:02:46] Speaker 4: delicious cook for all of the events being descrip? Yes. Yes.

[00:02:50] Speaker 3: Um, she will dress up in a heartbeat. Um, whether it's. Loving app state stuff with me and dressing in black and gold, um, or whatever the theme may be.

She's been in he costumes before. Um, and she's a big Dallas Cowboys fan. We, we share that. God bless y'all. That pain. I know, I know. And football in general, but you know, especially the Cowboys we're just, which means she's loyal 'cause Yeah. Damn. Um, and let's see, and she's got a few tiles, um, you know, she's wife.

She's a Gigi, um, to a wonderful, handsome young man mm-hmm. That we've also talked about on here before. Yep. Um, she is a dog mom.

[00:03:30] Speaker 4: Yep.

[00:03:30] Speaker 3: To two cute little coca ears, of

[00:03:32] Speaker 4: course butts. Mm-hmm.

[00:03:33] Speaker 3: And, uh, but my favorite title is that she's mom.

[00:03:35] Speaker 4: Yes.

[00:03:36] Speaker 3: And she is my mom.

[00:03:37] Speaker 4: Yeah. And she is my adopted mom,

[00:03:40] Speaker 3: I suppose she also has a real name, which is Cheryl.

[00:03:43] Speaker 4: Yes.

[00:03:44] Speaker 3: But I also call her Ma, so,

[00:03:47] Speaker 4: or Sharelle, if you're nasty.

[00:03:48] Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I'm the only one that she, lets call her Ma. 'cause I don't think she really liked it when I first started doing it. 'cause it's not just a ma, it's a ma.

Um, also, gosh, how did I, I was, I'm remiss not to mention this. She has a special, also has a special heart because she was a nurse for Yeah.

[00:04:07] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[00:04:08] Speaker 3: A lot of

years.

[00:04:09] Speaker 3: A lot of years, um, an rn and she was in labor and delivery for, she welcomed so many sweet babies into this world and, um, you know, kept the doctors doing what they're supposed to do and, um, in labor delivery, and then switched in the latter part of her career to an OB GYN clinic.

So still in the same realm, and then retired in 2021. Oh, December, 2021. Nailed it.

[00:04:31] Speaker 4: You know, I think a lot of, I have to give credit where credit is due because a lot of times when we talk about labor and delivery, we talk about OB GYN, it's, oh, yes. That you did such a good job of caring for the babies.

They're caring for the mothers, like your, your care, right? Like Yeah. A lot of that. So the, the credit of like, yes, you're caring for the, the mother that that baby comes from. Just wanna make sure that the credit Right. Because it's like, yay, the babies, but you'll, no, you are taking care of women.

[00:04:57] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:57] Speaker 4: You, you dedicated your life to taking care of women and the creation of life. So. I'm just close up. Insert clapping, Joe. Let's go. Yeah, there it's,

[00:05:07] Speaker 6: it wasn't one patient, it was two. You always had two. Two,

[00:05:11] Speaker 4: yeah.

[00:05:11] Speaker 6: Mom and baby. Oh, mom and baby.

[00:05:13] Speaker 4: Yeah. So all ought to say. And um, then the reman husband or partner to deal with.

On the side

[00:05:20] Speaker 3: or parent, I

[00:05:21] Speaker 4: bet. Like

[00:05:22] Speaker 6: yeah, sometimes.

[00:05:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm Oh,

[00:05:25] Speaker 6: a

[00:05:25] Speaker 4: hundred

[00:05:25] Speaker 6: percent.

[00:05:26] Speaker 4: No, I'm just like, woo. Spend the dial on the stories and the stuff like, 'cause everybody has friends and I've been in, I was my mom's Lama coach, so like I've been in labor multiple times, but not in labor. Yeah.

[00:05:39] Speaker 3: You've beared witness too.

[00:05:41] Speaker 4: I have no witness. Yes. Yes. So I just have a volumous amount of respect for the, the care for the mother especially. 'cause like we, we do have a very rough mortality rate for mothers in our country. So, um, credit to women who have dedicated their lives to caring for women and babies.

[00:05:57] Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and in the, so first of all, welcome mom.

Thank you so much for being here. Like, I don't think you guys understand like, so Bon Jovi and Journey will get this woman moving and grooving, which plays,

[00:06:09] Speaker 4: I've been witness to that too,

[00:06:11] Speaker 3: which also plays in to. Labor and delivery for her as well. I think this is my bonus. Dad's AKAs, oh gosh. Her husband's favorite thing for new people that meet her to learn.

But please, mom, tell them about your claim to fame as a labor and delivery nurse. Yes.

[00:06:26] Speaker 6: I got to be the nurse for Journeys head singer. Uh, all of a sudden I have a brain cramp, what's his name? All of a sudden,

[00:06:38] Speaker 3: God, Joe,

[00:06:40] Speaker 6: Steve Perry.

[00:06:41] Speaker 3: There we go. Good god we all have brain farms.

[00:06:44] Speaker 7: I forgot my mic was on. I was like, I know this.

[00:06:47] Speaker 6: I know I pick me. I know it too. But for some reason the only thing that was coming to my brain was Steven Tyler. And I'm like, no, not Steven. Tyler's different vibe. Yeah. I got to uh, be the nurse for his daughter's delivery. Yeah. And um, it was very cool. It was very cool. Um, got to meet her and her, how her relationship was.

She said growing up they didn't have much of a relationship 'cause he was on the road all the time. Um, but then they had really developed a relationship and honestly, I felt, I kept, I felt kind of bad for him. I mean, she was having a C-section and I felt kind of bad for him because then all of a sudden when people found out that he was there, um, people were just coming from everywhere.

Mm-hmm. Um, wanting to get his autograph and stuff. And I thought, you guys, he just wants to be a grandpa. Right. Not respecting his

[00:07:37] Speaker 4: privacy.

[00:07:38] Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, that's what he wanted. And um, but yeah, it was very cool. But yeah, my husband is, is very much, Steve is always like, you know, Cheryl, shame, whatever to fame, to claim, to like claim to fame.

And I'm like, it's really, I mean, it was, it was very cool. But I mean, I don't feel like I, you know, it's a fame thing.

[00:07:57] Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right. But it is very cool and I mean, as much as you love journey as well, but then to see a very, I think. Intimate more behind the curtain interaction for a celebrity, right.

For something that is so near and dear to their heart, but to be able to be a part of that and want to, just like what you said, like wanting to protect that privacy. Yeah. Um, in any way that you could, which I'm sure was, was a bit limited and stuff, but, um, but yeah, very cool. 'cause we never, you know, when we think of these massive, you know, and I would, I don't know celebrity, but I mean an artist that is so worldwide known.

Um, love so many people love his music and everything, so I think to, we don't really get those, those opportunities much,

[00:08:35] Speaker 6: but it's

[00:08:35] Speaker 4: also just

[00:08:35] Speaker 6: obviously

[00:08:36] Speaker 4: by cool by association.

[00:08:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[00:08:37] Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, obviously he was

[00:08:39] Speaker 4: retired. You're cool. You met that cool person.

[00:08:41] Speaker 6: I did so and everybody's like, did you get his autograph?

I said, no, I didn't get his autograph. I just chatted with him and, um, he was just a very. Down to earth person. And the other nurse that was working in the recovery room with me, she was like, just think about how many babies were made to his music

[00:09:01] Speaker 4: facts.

[00:09:02] Speaker 6: That's fantastic. Facts. We're like, yes,

[00:09:05] Speaker 4: absolutely. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yes, yes. That's so funny. That's awesome.

[00:09:10] Speaker 3: I love that. Um, yeah, so we've, you know, you, you thankfully are a listener of our podcast, so we do appreciate you giving us Thank you. Giving us those streams. Um, and you've heard us, I'm sure, mention you and I know that you hate the spotlight.

You truly do. And this has been a long time. Like we've been working towards this for a while, like just starting to plant the seeds of like, oh man, we should have mom on sometime. Yeah. And then as we get closer, we're like, oh. We should do it for like, mother's Day. Mother's Day. Yeah. How about that? And I, like I told you, I've probably pushed you a bit to do this outside your comfort zone, but um, it means a lot to me as well as to Daja.

You guys are great. You're here. Mm-hmm. And, um, you may not like the spotlight, but you absolutely deserve it. You deserve all of that accolades. Um, especially since, you know, we wanted this to be kind of like a Mother's Day theme mm-hmm. As Mother's Day is this coming weekend. Um, and I, Dasia and I have actually had several conversations about this.

Um, the older that I have gotten, the more I have learned to appreciate the upbringing that I had and that I had you as a mom because learning so many, I think, you know, in my prior professional life working with at-risk youth. You know, I saw that was straight outta college and every, you know, and just saw the, the unhealthy dynamics there, um, and how much that can contribute to a child's life.

Um, and then through other various ways. And then Dejas obviously got her experiences and, and witnessing the things in. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, just getting older. And I think just learning truly to appreciate the relationship that we've had all along and how it's evolved in different facets and like different timelines of, of our lives together.

Right. Because I think sometimes. This is actually one of the, I I have notes. Um, one of the things that I wanted to ask you and, and this was what I wanted to do, I've joked before about wanting to pimp my mom out to, to people. Oh my gosh. That didn't, didn't get loved, didn't receive love,

[00:11:09] Speaker 4: hence my adoption.

[00:11:10] Speaker 3: Yeah. And, you know, all in good fun and good stride and stuff. But, um, I mean, she is great and you are great. And, um, gosh, so I think that sometimes you sell yourself short on your ability to, like, you are a phenomenal nurse and I guess I was technically never treated by you in the labor and delivery or like capacity, but, um, you know, and that a good nurse takes a special heart.

And, uh, that definitely came through in every area of your life. And so I think you underestimate your ability and your effect on people just by being you. Mm-hmm. And so I just wanna share that with the world. Oh my gosh, that's true. That's

[00:11:51] Speaker 6: absolutely true.

[00:11:52] Speaker 3: And listen, our podcast is listened to in like 25 different countries.

So we're literally gonna be sharing you in the world.

[00:11:58] Speaker 6: I don't speak now the other languages.

[00:12:00] Speaker 3: No, I don't either. We struggle with English a lot of times. Me too. You

[00:12:04] Speaker 6: heard me. I,

[00:12:05] Speaker 4: so here's the thing about the rest of the world, they understand that we're slow and have one language. They do not hold it against us.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. They know. They know. Yeah,

[00:12:15] Speaker 6: yeah,

[00:12:15] Speaker 4: yeah.

[00:12:16] Speaker 6: I mean, I can understand a little bit of German.

[00:12:18] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. That's right.

[00:12:19] Speaker 6: And um, but I can never speak from the back of my throat, you know, so like they do. Mm-hmm. So I never really tried it.

[00:12:25] Speaker 4: No. There are some dialects that are just really hard.

[00:12:28] Speaker 6: Yes. And I, yeah, they don't feel at all

[00:12:30] Speaker 4: normal to flow into,

[00:12:31] Speaker 6: deliver to Spanish, just because I did a lot of deliveries Pey.

So no pey, no pey.

[00:12:40] Speaker 3: So, and, and why is it that you can speak, but better understand that German,

[00:12:46] Speaker 6: because I lived in Germany for about a year.

[00:12:49] Speaker 3: Well, that'll do it.

[00:12:51] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. But I was really young and naive. Let's be real.

[00:12:57] Speaker 3: Yeah. But, okay, fair. But also like you, we'll talk a little bit more about this too. And, but you moved to Germany with dad?

[00:13:07] Speaker 6: I did, I did

[00:13:08] Speaker 3: for dad. Uh, and you guys got married before you moved, right? Yes.

[00:13:13] Speaker 4: So what she's describing as young and naive is just a, a young woman with her husband who's in the military, moving across the ocean.

[00:13:21] Speaker 6: Well, from a little tiny town in Iowa to. Yeah. First time ever getting on an airplane. Yep. And

[00:13:29] Speaker 3: man, you did it good, just first time on a plane.

I did just, you know what? Let's make it big. You just check

[00:13:32] Speaker 4: all of

[00:13:33] Speaker 3: those

[00:13:33] Speaker 6: boxes of fear.

Yeah. Oh, and then let's get pregnant and have a baby while you're there. Throw

[00:13:42] Speaker 3: in there. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out Jeremy, my brother, who we've also mentioned before, and we'll probably also have up here as well at some point. The

[00:13:50] Speaker 4: German

[00:13:51] Speaker 9: creation we are referencing.

[00:13:52] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Um, but yeah. But yeah, that's ballsy, like mm-hmm.

That takes some courage and some just like, you know what? I'm gonna do it just, just doing it.

[00:14:02] Speaker 4: And that's exactly what I wanted to get fed in there. 'cause she's like, oh, I was just naive and I was like, woman, you're being a badass. Throw yourself across the ocean. Starting your own life. Just doing the damn thing.

So.

[00:14:13] Speaker 3: Right. And I'm, and I'm sure like getting over there with dad, being in the military, that then you had a lot of time to yourself.

[00:14:20] Speaker 4: Oh, oh super. Oh yeah. Like a lot of alienation. It had to be lonely. Like,

[00:14:25] Speaker 6: well, you know, I mean, yeah. Just more scared.

[00:14:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet. Yeah. I mean,

[00:14:29] Speaker 6: you know, he'd leave, we had one car, obviously, and, uh, we lived in

[00:14:33] Speaker 4: and figure it out.

[00:14:34] Speaker 6: Yeah. Lived in an apartment and I'm like, I, you know, there was one channel that's the, a channel that, uh, at English shows, so I can only watch so much tv, which I'm not that big of a TV person anyway. Yeah. So I would start walking and just go down to the markets and stuff, you know?

[00:14:53] Speaker 4: Nice.

[00:14:54] Speaker 6: But

[00:14:54] Speaker 4: I mean, just immerse yourself.

That's what, yeah.

[00:14:57] Speaker 6: And just observed people and I'm like, okay, I need to get one of those baskets so I can carry my stuff back. That's what they're doing.

[00:15:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,

[00:15:04] Speaker 3: man. Walking around a German market sounds lovely. It

[00:15:07] Speaker 6: was very, it was very nice. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:09] Speaker 4: That's very,

[00:15:10] Speaker 3: it's also why we. We now have generational fans sleeping.

Sleeping with like a, A fan, because that's when you guys started sleeping with a fan, right? Yes. 'cause to help drown out the noise.

[00:15:20] Speaker 6: Yep.

[00:15:21] Speaker 3: And ever since then we're all me, my brother. Well, and obviously you brought Steven to the fold. Yeah. To sleep has asleep at the fan now too. Like it's just a whole thing.

And then people that we bring into our lives.

[00:15:34] Speaker 4: I was already a ceiling fan and sound machine person. I easily assimilated into the family.

[00:15:41] Speaker 3: It's so funny though 'cause I've recently transitioned more to a sound machine instead of like a box fan. Easier and smaller to travel with. Yeah. And uh, deja calls it my death metal machine because whenever you put it on, my God, it's just like, yes,

[00:15:54] Speaker 6: it really is.

First time she turned that on in the camper, I was like, what is that? It was like,

[00:16:03] Speaker 4: it will jump scare you the first time

[00:16:05] Speaker 3: I now sleep to

[00:16:06] Speaker 6: death metal.

[00:16:06] Speaker 3: It's fine. No. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so thanks for that because I. I can't sleepless. People are like, oh, you grew up in the country. Don't you just love the sound of crickets?

No, no. I love the sound of nothing. That's why I have like a, the steady sound machine. It just be constant. Yes. Steady.

[00:16:20] Speaker 6: It's gotta be a steady sound.

[00:16:21] Speaker 3: Oh. And don't let there get like a little tick in the box fan. I'm over there slapping that thing so hard. Like, what is wrong with you

[00:16:28] Speaker 4: in their right mind.

It's like, don't you love the sound of crickets to sleep to? Yeah. No, you're sitting outside by pond. Right. Like the aesthetic, the, that's cool. Yeah. But you're sleeping. I've never heard anyone be like, oh, that sounds great.

[00:16:44] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[00:16:44] Speaker 4: Just really a random and then never ending noise. Yeah, yeah. No. Of screeching legs against one another.

[00:16:52] Speaker 6: Yeah. Like one of that, that last, I think it was one of the last hurricanes that we had and where we live, we were out of power for like five days.

[00:17:00] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[00:17:01] Speaker 6: Uh, yeah. Lucky I'm not divorced. Yeah. But, um, I mean, it was muggy and my husband. I love him, but he needs A-C-P-A-P and it didn't work 'cause we had no power.

Yeah.

[00:17:14] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[00:17:15] Speaker 6: So I went upstairs to try to sleep and I opened the window 'cause it was so stuffy and the crickets.

[00:17:21] Speaker 3: Yep.

[00:17:21] Speaker 6: And the frogs were all out there and I was like,

[00:17:25] Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose my mind. Yeah.

[00:17:26] Speaker 6: Yeah. I was.

[00:17:27] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep.

[00:17:28] Speaker 6: But anyway.

[00:17:29] Speaker 3: Hey, did you guys fix that problem? You got a Generac now, so,

[00:17:32] Speaker 6: yes. Yeah, I won that battle.

[00:17:35] Speaker 3: Mom's like will not sleep without CP Pap or fan anymore.

[00:17:38] Speaker 6: Yes.

[00:17:39] Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So, um, awesome. Well as part of this, like I thought of some questions, we're putting you in the hot seat 'cause you do not have any idea what these questions are. I'm sure Deja has some magical ones that if she doesn't have yet will happen as, as we, we chat about these things.

Probably a better

[00:17:54] Speaker 6: drink

[00:17:54] Speaker 3: then, huh?

[00:17:57] Speaker 6: Cheers to that.

[00:18:01] Speaker 3: As you guys all got to hear us swallow our drinks. You're welcome. Um, I also, did you get

[00:18:06] Speaker 6: yours, Joe?

[00:18:07] Speaker 3: He's got a Oh, oh. Yep. Joe doesn't have a camera today, but he's over there. Guys say hi Joe.

[00:18:14] Speaker 4: Hello.

[00:18:14] Speaker 3: There you go.

[00:18:15] Speaker 4: So Joe in the dark today? Yep.

[00:18:17] Speaker 3: Our wizard. Um, so I also wanted to kind of poll some strangers if they had any questions and oh

[00:18:25] Speaker 6: my gosh.

[00:18:26] Speaker 3: What, what? The few that I got, I didn't choose them all 'cause I didn't wanna like sit here and just like 20 questions with Cheryl. Um, but some of them are, or like the first few that I got and I was like, okay, I'm gonna stop. They are, you are madly equipped. To offer some words of encouragement or advice or things, you know, um, so I love that.

And then I've just thought of couple and, um, I don't, I mean, obviously don't say anything that you would feel uncomfortable with, but we don't have a filter, as you've heard, by listening to this podcast and or just

[00:18:59] Speaker 4: talking to us. That's

[00:19:00] Speaker 3: fine. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

[00:19:01] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[00:19:01] Speaker 3: Yeah. I've seen, I've seen you around a few times.

[00:19:05] Speaker 4: Twice.

[00:19:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[00:19:06] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[00:19:07] Speaker 3: Um, so I'm just gonna dig right in. I'm gonna start with some of the ones that I kind of thought of get to what woman, God. I know. Listen, I'm trying to decide which one I wanna start with. Jesus so

[00:19:18] Speaker 4: much leading up, I'm like,

[00:19:21] Speaker 3: God, lemme live my life. Um, so I kind of touched on this earlier and we're talking about how we've, I feel like we've kind of been best friends like my entire life.

Yeah. Um, so thanks for that. I often tell people that you are, but I, when, obviously when I was a child that looked very different because you were mom. And I know that I have born witness born Baird.

[00:19:47] Speaker 4: Oh

[00:19:47] Speaker 3: yes.

[00:19:47] Speaker 4: That's our phrase of the

[00:19:48] Speaker 3: whatever. Anyway. Um, yeah. Right. Um, two friends in previously and now that have, when they were younger, they mom was more in a friendship role than a parent or a mom role.

So my question for you is, how did you draw that boundary? Was it ever hard? Like, when I was a child, because like I said, we've always been close because you've provided such an open, come talk to me. I'm not guaranteeing that you're not gonna get in trouble, but like, you're gonna get in hell of a lot more trouble if I find out about it after the fact.

All that kind of stuff. You always wanted to provide a safe space. So in doing so, I mean that's what really started to build the relationship and our closeness and openness is So how did you draw that boundary?

[00:20:31] Speaker 6: Oh wow. I don't know. I guess I never really thought of it as a boundary. I mean, I never really even thought about until you were in college and you had that friend that you said, well, you know, 'cause she really liked to be around me.

[00:20:46] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:46] Speaker 6: And I said, but you know, she seems really close with her mom. And she said, yeah, but they're more like friends rather than mom. And so, I don't know, I guess I never really felt that was some line I was gonna cross anyway. I felt like the biggest thing to me, and honestly I have to give kudos to my dad, um, because he was a great dad and mom.

Mm-hmm. At the same time. 'cause he had to be, I mean, he didn't have to be, but he was. And um, he was just always very. Honest and open and upfront. I mean, felt like, you know, made me feel like I could say anything. Um, same kind of boundaries, you know, I knew if I was gonna get in trouble, but, um, better to be upfront about it.

Mm-hmm. But, um, so I guess I just took those same guidelines. I never really thought of it as a boundary, like, oh, am I being a friend? Or, and I guess I also felt like, um, that it's more of a, when they're, you know, I just read it so many times or saw it so many times that when kids are growing up, you know, you're, you're their mom and you have to be the rules.

You have to provide the rules and regulations and guidelines and help them with things. And then when they're more grown, then you can be friends.

[00:22:11] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[00:22:12] Speaker 6: And so, I guess I just kind of lived by that, you know, and just really hoped that they would wanna be my friends after I. Like the down the law song, but

[00:22:22] Speaker 4: clearly that worked.

'cause you've picked one up.

[00:22:28] Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, she picked up ones I feel like in every phase of my life a bit. Right. Like in, in high school. And you know, and I think, and to give a little context here, um, when mom says that her dad, so grandpa had to be mom and dad. Um, unfortunately when mom was 11, uh, her and her sisters and her mom were in a car accident and, um, lost mom and well, my grandmother, your mom and your older sister.

And so grandpa then had to step in and raise, or he'd stepped up and, and raised, yeah. Three daughters. And I can't imagine what that was like. I mean, I know that he

[00:23:04] Speaker 6: just, oh, I can't either.

[00:23:05] Speaker 4: I wish I could have met Marv.

[00:23:06] Speaker 6: He is a wonderful man.

[00:23:07] Speaker 4: I really do. Yeah.

[00:23:09] Speaker 6: Um, you know, and he was, he was, and you know, sometimes when I would talk to him after we were adults, you know, and I would.

Try to praise him, you know, because he'd be things like, oh, you know, I should have done this different, or I should have done that different for you guys. Does it sound

[00:23:24] Speaker 4: familiar to you? It sure does. Okay. Yep. Okay.

[00:23:27] Speaker 6: And I said, well, dad, you know, I said, I think that we all do that. 'cause by this time I had my own kids.

But I was like, but you need to take a step back and look at what you did. Mm-hmm. And I said, you took on all of that. And I mean, I laid in a hospital bed for three months or so and then came home in a body cast for however many more months. I don't even remember, but right off. But I said there were, you know, I mean, after you lost your wife and then your daughter, two weeks later, I said, you could have walked into a bar and never come back out.

[00:24:06] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[00:24:07] Speaker 6: I said, but you didn't do that. And I said, and honestly, look at us both, man I sisters. I said, do you. Yeah, we've both, we've all done, you know, we all have families, you know, everybody's doing well, so you gotta give yourself a little bit of credit.

[00:24:21] Speaker 4: Yeah,

[00:24:22] Speaker 8: yeah,

[00:24:22] Speaker 4: yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. 'cause I mean, it, you had a really, really good dad.

[00:24:29] Speaker 6: I did.

[00:24:29] Speaker 4: And it is kind of fascinating to me 'cause I never had a dead and so, um, I mean, I have one,

[00:24:36] Speaker 3: right?

[00:24:37] Speaker 4: Had one have one.

[00:24:39] Speaker 3: Biologically, biologically

[00:24:40] Speaker 4: get you here.

[00:24:41] Speaker 3: There

[00:24:41] Speaker 4: had to be, but mine get a sperm donor shows that same path of, I mean, my parents were married, they got divorced, my mom was still pregnant with me, but I, he lived 30 minutes away from me.

And I met him one time when I was 19 and the man said to me, I didn't mean to ruin your life. And I was like, ah. Fucking narcissist.

[00:24:58] Speaker 6: Yeah. Wow.

[00:24:59] Speaker 4: Right. Like, and so I, it's, it is fascinating to me to shoot, meet humans that come from, like, I would be like, yeah, I wanna know about Marv. Like, what was it like to have a good dad, a, a man who stepped in to fulfill his full and complete role of ensuring that you were safe, educated, and loved yourself and could go out into the world.

[00:25:20] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and you know, and in some ways, I mean, of course this was in Iowa, but he, he was always, you know, he wasn't a afraid to do anything, you know, talked to. Gave us some books, you know, and we reached puberty and told us to read 'em and ask if he had any, if we had any questions. You know, sometimes he was a little too open about some of that stuff later on, but, you know, that's like, dad, I don't really need to know all that.

Thanks.

[00:25:46] Speaker 3: I text So Marv, I know he never like really married, really married again. Um, you know, and the few pictures I have seen of your mom, I can understand why. Yeah. Verna was, she was a smoke show. She was a looker.

[00:26:02] Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[00:26:02] Speaker 3: Um, and, uh, but let me tell you something. That man would go out dancing. Yes.

And like, I feel like that's a lost art. But he would go out dancing and just dancing with all the ladies and, but then he come home to his three girls and just live his best life. Like, and that make a cut a rug. Mom and Steve's wedding, he, I was doing the polka with him. And split my dress, the slits in my dress too, even more.

Oh no. But grandpa just, I mean, just out there, just kicking up some dust on the floor, man. Oh, bless him. Um,

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[00:27:30] Speaker 6: I remember, I think it was, I don't know if I was home my first college year, whatever, but, you know, he had joined some dating groups. He was kind of starting to get himself back out there and he goes, but there's really no, I've joined these groups, but a lot of 'em, they go dancing.

He goes, I don't know how to dance. I said,

[00:27:47] Speaker 3: fix that.

[00:27:48] Speaker 6: Take a dancing class, dad. He goes, well, I don't have a partner. And I'm like,

[00:27:52] Speaker 9: okay,

[00:27:53] Speaker 6: I'll go with you.

[00:27:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[00:27:54] Speaker 9: Ah, amazing. What was I thinking? But

[00:27:58] Speaker 3: whatever that then evolved into you and dad. Yes. You know, dancing and doing disco dancing stuff, man, I wish I, I know that was before I was a breathing thing, but that would've been really cool to see you and dad just.

Doing the damn thing out there, man. Only get a time machine. Right. So we still need that so we can

[00:28:19] Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. That was when disco was really big and uh,

[00:28:23] Speaker 4: awesome. Disco.

[00:28:24] Speaker 6: Uh, I mean, yeah, he came to pick me up at my dorm room to go dancing and it was supposed to be disco night. I mean, this is Iowa. Uh, okay. So I come in a pair of jeans and a shirt.

I'm thinking, I'm looking, okay. I think I'm doing all right. Right? And he comes, I kid you not, he looked like John Travolta out of Saturday Night Life with his pants, the slit shirt, way down the high sold shoes.

[00:28:52] Speaker 3: Yes,

[00:28:54] Speaker 6: yes.

[00:28:54] Speaker 3: Gary just out there.

[00:28:55] Speaker 6: Yes. Amazing. And he looked at me and I said,

[00:28:59] Speaker 4: oh,

[00:28:59] Speaker 6: I was thinking, he goes, are you going like that?

And I was like, are you going like that? Like that?

[00:29:09] Speaker 9: That's so funny.

[00:29:11] Speaker 6: He's like, no, you need to wear a dress 'cause we're gonna dance. So yeah, I put you wear

[00:29:15] Speaker 3: jeans to dance in.

[00:29:17] Speaker 6: Well, because that's not like Saturday Night Live. I mean, Saturday night Fever, fever.

[00:29:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

[00:29:22] Speaker 4: No, listen, so I was gonna say it was Iowa and I have been dancing in Iowa. Yeah. I mean, and there is

[00:29:26] Speaker 3: jeans

[00:29:27] Speaker 4: wor, right.

So, yeah. Yep. I get it. I get it. Yeah.

[00:29:32] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[00:29:33] Speaker 3: Wow,

[00:29:33] Speaker 4: that's awesome. Because the disco is not the standard in Iowa.

[00:29:37] Speaker 3: No,

[00:29:39] Speaker 6: no. A little barn dancing.

[00:29:40] Speaker 4: That's right. That's right. Mm-hmm. Yes.

[00:29:43] Speaker 3: Anyway, that's awesome. Um, which I think in as, as I've like, reflected on so much of this stuff, like I, with you, not essentially, I mean, you lost your mom whenever you were 11, and I think about all of the times that I've had, you been so blessed to have you as such a resource, whether it was something life changing, like going through my own divorce or.

Mom, how do I get this stain out of this? You know? Or how often can I take ibuprofen? You know what I mean? Like something big or small. Um, and I, it is hard for me, and I don't say this in a negative light, but it's hard, it's so hard for me to fathom not having you there to answer those questions. So like, where did you get this knowledge to, to like be this resource for me?

You know what I mean? Like, since you unfortunately did, weren't able to have that experience, like did it just happen when you gave birth? Like it was just poop?

[00:30:40] Speaker 4: Or was

[00:30:41] Speaker 3: it that, was

[00:30:41] Speaker 4: it the Marv double down?

[00:30:42] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[00:30:43] Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure some of it was the Marve double down. Mm-hmm. I like that. I like that. I like that the Marve double down.

I think that, you know, I sure like the dance was, yeah. Hey,

[00:30:53] Speaker 4: we're gonna have to come over one. Yes.

[00:30:56] Speaker 6: That was probably some of it. I, I don't know. I mean, I guess it's just, um. You know, I guess I've always been a very observant person, and so I would just watch and listen and learn from other people what I thought was, you know, and then take from that what I thought I wanted to do mm-hmm.

As a mom and try to make it best. And yes, were there times that I was like, really wish I had my mom?

[00:31:24] Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:25] Speaker 6: You know, like when you go to get married, I mean, you know, especially for the big things. Mm-hmm. Um, when you're younger. I don't, when I was much younger, I guess. I guess it was just, it was like this is my life.

And, um, so, you know, I just tried to ask dad. Yeah. But, um, but I also was kind of like, you know, I gotta kind of try to figure my own road here. Um, but yeah, I guess some of the bigger things I'd be like, man, I wish, you know. But honestly, I would say the older I, I've gotten. Um, when I got older it was kind of like, even when the kids were more grown.

'cause I guess you slow down a little bit then. Mm-hmm. And you can think about things more when you're young and your kids are young and you're working and you're just blur. You're just trying

[00:32:14] Speaker 3: to survive.

[00:32:15] Speaker 6: You're just going through the motions. And some of that I regret, I um, especially as a single mom, I felt like I should have done more, like, not worried about whether the kitchen floor was mopped or not, and just, you know, 'cause sometimes I'd feel like, oh, this is my day off.

You know, I gotta get this, this, this, and this done. And, um. And I sometimes look back on that and like, you know, as a mom those years fly by and your kids grow up so fast. So

[00:32:44] Speaker 4: Yeah. But at, at the same time, I'm gonna go ahead and let you know, I've, um, not received any complaints from either of your children, but sing your praises about the childhood that you gave them Uhhuh.

So I hope you absolve yourself of that because

[00:33:00] Speaker 3: those things are, I mean, I know it's cliche 'cause you hear it, right? But like, it's so true. Like, I mean, in that time when, whenever, you know, after you and dad divorced and, and you were a single mom, um, which actually one of our random people's questions is as related to that, um, I don't think about those things.

I think about when I almost chop my finger off.

[00:33:21] Speaker 7: Jeez.

[00:33:22] Speaker 3: And Jeremy like called you like freaking out and I'm just like, oh, there's my bone. You know? But like you were at work, at a hospital, you know, quite away, you know, a little ways away. And you have always just been so calm and that I know you get from Marv, um, but like you were such a calm presence whenever you had two kids that were, you know, I mean, you trusted us, you raised us well and trusted us enough to like to be alone, you know, um, while you had to work and stuff.

And, and so you were a calm presence there from a distance. So like those are the things that we remember. We don't remember that we didn't go do something because we needed to get our chores done first. Now that's ingrained in us of like. I need to get this done before I can go have play with Dacia.

Like, you know what I mean? Likehmm.

[00:34:10] Speaker 6: Yes. But you, you, but you can also draw those boundaries. Like, you know, Hey, you know what? I can do that tomorrow.

[00:34:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[00:34:16] Speaker 6: I can do that laundry tomorrow. Or I can, you know, and I think that

[00:34:20] Speaker 4: you could

[00:34:21] Speaker 6: have just, I think that's important too.

[00:34:23] Speaker 4: Fuck it all. And just used your body and not followed an education and gotten into God knows what not.

You weren't even living by home. Like I say all this from like what I saw. Yeah. And like you could have taken a very different path as a single mom.

[00:34:43] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[00:34:43] Speaker 4: Or wildly different paths and paths that, I mean, chosen by, by force, by necessity. Right. But I just, in everything that I've heard from your kids and just hanging out with you, besides just that calm, there seems to be an innate sense of right and wrong.

[00:35:02] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[00:35:02] Speaker 4: And good and bad. In you and like, and that's where I'm like, yeah man, was that from the Marv double down? Like really? Like, because he really had to come in Yeah. And play mom and dad. He did. And I just see such this, like you are a very put together person. Like you don't give yourself credit, but you come across as very strong.

Mm-hmm. You are a very strong individual.

[00:35:25] Speaker 6: Well, I mean, so like, you're, you're kind. I feel like there was some definitely some times that I've not felt strong.

[00:35:31] Speaker 4: Oh. Oh.

[00:35:32] Speaker 6: But um, you know, especially making that decision to be a single mom. Mm-hmm. Um,

[00:35:39] Speaker 4: and yeah. 'cause you just know you could have put your kids through hell and misery and stayed 'cause been there, seen that.

Right. It's horrible when, you know, people should get divorced and not torture their children to witness a terrible relationship.

[00:35:53] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[00:35:53] Speaker 4: Nothing is healthy about those situations. Right.

[00:35:57] Speaker 6: Well, and I, I, but I think too, and, you know, after actually seeing a lot of. Babies brought into the world. And also working as a triage nurse in an OB GYN clinic and seeing a lot of the moms come in with their daughters who are then pregnant.

Um, seeing some of the scenarios, I'm like, you know, it's not a good scenario to start with. Mm-hmm. So the, the child is, you know, it's gonna be a vicious cycle. Yep. And that's really sad to see. Um, how do you fix that? I don't know. But I did try to, I really did try to be, um, I guess the Marv part of it. But I also, you know, Marv was a little dad, I love you.

Uh, he was a little bit, um, also sometimes just a little bit too. I mean, he played the silent treatment if we were in trouble. I mean, we never had a curfew. We didn't have any of that. You knew?

[00:36:56] Speaker 4: Mm.

[00:36:57] Speaker 6: You knew, I mean, he wouldn't even speak to you. And sometimes I'd be like, dad, just yell at me or something.

Just tell me why you're upset.

[00:37:03] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[00:37:04] Speaker 6: You know, please.

[00:37:05] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[00:37:06] Speaker 6: You know, so I, I do really credit him and really, really appreciate the upbringing that I had, but I also took some of that kind of like, that, those are things that I don't want to do. Mm-hmm. But of course then you also find yourself doing things like, oh my gosh, I sound just like my dad when I'm talking to my kids.

But

[00:37:25] Speaker 4: I also think too, there's, there's obviously like there's the inherent parts of your mom in there too, you know, like,

[00:37:30] Speaker 6: yeah.

[00:37:31] Speaker 4: Because I, I know that there are some things that, like little things that I do or think or say that are like, oh, those are my grandma, right? Yeah. Like those are, and those are from early childhood, like memories and stuff and how, why I do some things or think some ways and,

[00:37:46] Speaker 6: yeah, I don't know.

I guess that part I'm a little bit, um. And the older I get, and I was just thinking about this not too long ago, you know, when Mother's Day rolls around, it's always a little more prominent. Um, and I don't wanna get emotional, but it's like, oh, we already

[00:38:01] Speaker 3: talked about, we figured

[00:38:03] Speaker 6: we'd be crying. It's like the older I get, it's like, and since I lost my mom at such an early age now, I do feel really lucky that I do still have some memories myself, because my youngest sister is eight years younger than eight years younger than me.

Yeah. And she, she was only three, so she doesn't really,

[00:38:21] Speaker 8: yeah.

[00:38:21] Speaker 6: She goes, I don't really know if those are memories or if it's just from the pictures I've seen. Mm. And, but it's, I used to be able to hear my mom's laugh.

[00:38:34] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[00:38:34] Speaker 6: Like. When she would stand at the kitchen counter doing dishes and dad would come up behind her and start tickling her and she'd slash the suds all over him and stuff, you know?

Oh my God, that

[00:38:44] Speaker 3: sounds so wholesome. Yeah.

[00:38:45] Speaker 6: And they would just be laughing and I mean, I have those memories, but the older I get, and I guess the, I mean, it's been since 1971, but I mean, it's like I feel like I can't hear her voice. Mm-hmm. Like I used to be able to, and I can't. I can't. And I mean, I'm sure that's probably part of the process and I'm just lucky for what I do have.

[00:39:08] Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.

[00:39:08] Speaker 6: But, um, you know, and I do think about those things. I feel so honored and lucky to be able to have my children and that I can be there with them, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, but um, you know, 'cause a lot of those things of course go through your mind. Um, you know, before I was even a mom. Um, to get onto a lighter part of that subject.

Mm-hmm. Like, it's like, 'cause when I asked the doctor, you know, after the accident, I'm like, and I went to see him like one of my last checkups before I was gonna get married. And I said, am I gonna be able to have kids? And he looked right at me, forget it. This is a pediatric pediatric orthopedic specialist, mind you at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

Loved that man. He looked right at me, put his hands on my lap, and he said, Cheryl. If you can get in the position to make 'em, you can get in the position to have 'em. I said

[00:40:10] Speaker 3: noted,

[00:40:10] Speaker 6: and I'm sure I turned like, oh my goodness, 50 shades of red. You know? Well,

[00:40:14] Speaker 3: you got in that position at least twice because I'm, I got a brother.

So I

[00:40:18] Speaker 6: did, but I'm not gonna lie, the obs weren't quite sure what to do, especially the first go around we're like, we're not gonna sure how we're gonna do this. But,

[00:40:25] Speaker 3: and, and to again, to provide context there. So as a result, or one of the, the things from the car accident is that unfortunately complications things, mom does not have a right hip joint.

So if you think about that, like her fever bone had to be fused to your pelvic bone. Right. And so you don't really think about everything you use your hip joints for mm-hmm. Until you don't have one.

[00:40:50] Speaker 4: Right. I bet.

Yeah.

[00:40:50] Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think, you know, I, obviously I grew up with you, um, so I never thought anything differently and I really don't think, um, it hit me.

How badass you are for not like limiting yourself in life when it would've been so easy whenever we went to Greece

[00:41:09] Speaker 4: could have leaned into having a

[00:41:11] Speaker 8: disability and milking system and not having, yeah. No, no.

[00:41:16] Speaker 4: Oh, wait, no, no. I've spirited that too. I'm sorry. Go on. This whole other Dichotomist example I get outta your family.

[00:41:21] Speaker 3: No. Like, well get out of it. You're in it.

[00:41:23] Speaker 4: I know.

[00:41:23] Speaker 3: Um, you know, walking around Greece, like they don't have elevators. It is very old and they really believe in steps. No, you gotta do the

[00:41:29] Speaker 4: damn thing.

[00:41:30] Speaker 3: And those steps are not little baby steps. They are deep. Like world. World.

[00:41:34] Speaker 4: These are uneven old early humanoid short steps, right?

[00:41:38] Speaker 3: Yes.

[00:41:39] Speaker 4: Right. Like they, it's like, it looked like they should crawl. Yes. Up them. They're so, some of 'em

[00:41:43] Speaker 3: so strong, but they're like far apart. And so, you know, when mom and I were walking around, I think that's really the first time that it hit me of like the mechanics of your body. Because when you, when you.

Walk up a step, you pick up with your, your hip joint to lift your leg up and stuff. And so, um, I was just like, damn, you're awesome. Like mm-hmm. Because I remember at one point, didn't the doctor tell you that you wouldn't really be able to,

[00:42:09] Speaker 6: to walk?

[00:42:09] Speaker 3: To walk? Lemme tell you something. I have seen this woman on a

[00:42:11] Speaker 6: treadmill,

[00:42:13] Speaker 3: maybe not recently running, but, and if somebody, I have

[00:42:15] Speaker 4: walked with her Yes.

Walked

[00:42:18] Speaker 6: with me and talked with me.

[00:42:19] Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.

[00:42:20] Speaker 3: But I've seen her jog since then. I mean, not recently again. I mean, if you put a snake

[00:42:25] Speaker 6: in front of me, I could probably run.

[00:42:26] Speaker 3: Yeah. Or somebody's chasing you. Like,

[00:42:28] Speaker 4: or walk over water or if one of the dogs are getting into something, mom, I take off there.

[00:42:32] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:33] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Yeah,

[00:42:34] Speaker 6: for

[00:42:34] Speaker 3: sure. I do my best anyway.

[00:42:35] Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.

[00:42:36] Speaker 3: So then that then brings us up to giving, you had two vaginal deliveries with one hip joint. I did.

[00:42:43] Speaker 4: Congratulations. That is

[00:42:44] Speaker 3: unreal. Like.

[00:42:48] Speaker 4: I Is

[00:42:49] Speaker 7: that like weird flex Weird.

[00:42:51] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

[00:42:52] Speaker 7: Weird flex, bro. Is

[00:42:53] Speaker 3: that, is that how the kids

[00:42:54] Speaker 4: use that? Well, given who she's sitting across from, it actually kinda is. Yeah. So,

[00:43:00] Speaker 3: um, yeah, so that's crazy. Which, how, because, so it sounds like you knew kind of all along or whatever that you wanted to have kids.

[00:43:11] Speaker 6: Um, I mean, you know, let's just be real.

I mean, back in the day, as Jeremy says back in the dinosaurs. So how mom, how was T-Rex? Um,

[00:43:22] Speaker 4: so sweet.

[00:43:23] Speaker 6: Yeah, he made me feel so good.

[00:43:25] Speaker 4: Yeah. My boys do that too.

[00:43:26] Speaker 6: I was from a little town in Iowa that really didn't know.

Anything else. And so it was kind of like, I did know that when I graduated from high school, I wanted to leave the big metropolis of Prim Iowa. I knew there was more to life out there Yeah. Than just Prim Iowa. Um, I was one of the few though, but I guess it was just kind of like, yeah. You know, kind of you have that vision that, you know, get here, get married, have kids, you know, like I don't know about the little white picket fence.

But, um, so that was kind of my thing. But I also knew that I wanted to be a nurse and I'm sure that a lot of that came from just watching all the nurses had to take care of me. Oh, I'm

[00:44:11] Speaker 4: sure. All of your Yeah.

[00:44:12] Speaker 6: And, um, the nursing students and stuff. So, um, so I knew I wanted to be a nurse, so I wanted to have a career, so I definitely wanted to go off to college.

Um, but um, you know, I had a high school boyfriend and he thought we should just get married and stay right there. And I'm like, that's not happening. I'm going to college.

[00:44:31] Speaker 9: Yeah. Girl.

[00:44:32] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[00:44:33] Speaker 6: Um, and so yeah, that ended that. But, um, which was fine 'cause you know, there weren't really any anyway. Um, no sparks, but, um, I was like, there's gotta be more to this than that.

But, you know, I mean, anyway, so I mean, I guess I did, I guess I kind of thought that, you know, I wanted to have children. Um, I didn't wanna have like 10 or anything like that, but, well, you

[00:44:59] Speaker 4: didn't have a

[00:44:59] Speaker 3: farm.

[00:44:59] Speaker 6: No, so, and I didn't need them. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. You know,

[00:45:04] Speaker 4: thankfully not for me. Super uber religious requiring

[00:45:09] Speaker 6: you to have said 10 children.

No. Yeah. Birth control is definitely a thing.

[00:45:12] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[00:45:13] Speaker 6: Um, and definitely wanted that. But, uh.

[00:45:16] Speaker 3: Yeah. So did it how, when you first kind of found out from me or we talked about how the fact that I was like, I don't, it, you know, meant from like, I'm not sure that I want kids, I don't really want kids. No, I do not want my own children, you know, as, because I'm, you know, I know you have Liam as a grandson and stuff, but how did you like, feel with that?

Was it kind of like a, oh, that really sucks for

[00:45:38] Speaker 4: me? How disappointed were you, Gigi?

[00:45:42] Speaker 6: You know what, I, um, of course I, you know, you have thoughts and especially working in labor and delivery, I was like, oh, you know, it'd be really cool someday if Jennifer has kids, but she probably isn't gonna deliver at this hospital anyway.

Um, and I thought, and I don't know if I would wanna be her nurse anyway. I think I'd wanna be more of her mom. Oh,

[00:45:59] Speaker 4: yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:46:00] Speaker 6: But, um, on the other side of that coin, everything that I did see in labor and delivery, Hmm. I would just say that, no, I mean. If you would've said, mom, I wouldn't have had kids. I would be like, Jen, that's awesome.

I am so excited to be a grandma. Right. But I also, I don't want, I wouldn't want anybody to have children if they don't want them. You know what I'm saying? Because there's, thank

[00:46:32] Speaker 4: you for what, A

[00:46:32] Speaker 6: respectful

[00:46:33] Speaker 4: statement.

[00:46:33] Speaker 6: Yeah. There's just so much more to life. Mm-hmm. Than, and let's be real. I mean, it's a major commitment.

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