Ramblings of a Restless Mind

[00:00:00] I would love to know what you were doing. Barry White can't get enough of your love, baby. I You're not. I do love that song though. You were not great song. You were not in your sponge era. I was. Whatever. I was having a great night before the sponge thing happened.

Love [00:00:15] it. But I don't know where, what I was doing, but I love that song. Yes. I love a lot of old well, you know, I love old people. Mm-hmm. To visit, to marry. Mm-Hmm. Whatever. You just name it. I love old people and it's fantastic. And probate example, [00:00:30] girl, you've just gotten your niche. I just, I do, I do.

It's old people no matter how you slice it. So you do slice it as the sandwich you do. Boom, bitch. Yes, Joe, with a mic [00:00:45] drop.

Welcome to ramblings of a Restless Mind. Welcome, curiosity, humor come together. We're here to explore those restless thoughts [00:01:00] that keep you awake at night, whether they're profound or delightfully ramp. If you're looking to laugh, think and maybe even find some answers. You're in the right place. No idea is too big, too small or too [00:01:15] bizarre.

Let's get ready to ramble.

Hey, hey, hey. It's Jen here. One [00:01:30] half of the duo here for Ramblings of a Restless Mind. Thank you so much for joining us. I have got my wonderful illustrious valore suit wearing co-host Deja Deon next to me. Hi Deja. Sopranos every day. [00:01:45] You never know what you're gonna get. That's one of my favorite things about her.

You never know what you're gonna get. So Ramblers welcome to our first full episode with our inaugural guest here to join us. I am so, so excited. We have a guest, somebody crazy enough to join us in our [00:02:00] conversations. And deja, please tell us who we have joining us today. My fabulous soul sister, my business partner extraordinaire.

The. One and only fabulous mother, [00:02:15] exceptional wife, but an even better human who happens to be an attorney, Carol Williams. I dunno if I can live up to that introduction already. Already have. Listen, you deserve, deserve Day. And Dale, [00:02:30] you deserve a gold medal because you're marrying to a politician. Mm mm Yep.

Takes a sip. Angela Bourbon. Mm-Hmm. Yes, this is true. You're a badass business owner with Deja here, so doing all the [00:02:45] things, ma'am, all the things. Thank you so much for sharing the little bit of time. That you have to yourself. Well, well this is like a vacation. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So I would love to open this up a [00:03:00] little bit for you guys to, before we get into, to truly rambling here 'cause you guys co-run the world with NC Estate Solutions who runs the world Yes.

With our very lovely ad that is in our episodes. So [00:03:15] please tell me a little bit and, and our listeners, oh by the way, hi Joe. Hello. As you guys will hear throughout our episodes here and there, Joe is our studio producer. So if you hear a manly voice that is why. I'm sure we'll have guests that are men as well.

I just not yet. [00:03:30] Perhaps, perhaps we'll see TBD. Anyway, so please, like you're thinking about it. Yeah, make it up. We see how we go. We'll see how 2025 goes. Yes. Amen brother. God [00:03:45] bless. Joe, you might be the token. The token guy. Yeah. On this podcast. I'm used to being, I got two daughters, two girl dogs, and a wife in the house, so, all right.

So yeah. All right. You're used to it, girl. Who around the world, you have been accepted into our tribe. We will save a space in the commune that we [00:04:00] are going to be to build I'm sorry, derailed again. Ramblings of a restless mind. Here we go. But please share with me. Again and the world more about NC Estate Solutions, and thank you so, so, so much for being willing to sponsor this [00:04:15] idea and love that I've had for the last four years, and finally giving it a voice and a life into the world, so, oh, absolutely.

Well, when you, when I heard the name. I immediately was like, oh, that totally fits Dasia. I don't know you that [00:04:30] well, but I know you through her. You know, I was like, that, that completely makes sense. To know her is to know me. So, and that's what I've heard. But yeah, so I was, I was very excited for y'all and I'm sure you will take off because Dasia can talk about that wall over there and make it [00:04:45] sound interesting, so.

Agreed. But nc well, you know, we've, we've worked together for a while. We came from a. Another firm. And we really wanted to do things differently for our clients because we really service a lot of [00:05:00] elderly people a lot of people who have lost someone, and we really wanted to do more of a handholding type business rather than just, here's your documents, here's where you sign.

And let's be done. So we've really crafted a business where I [00:05:15] feel like I have a personal relationship by the end of every interaction with the, with the clients. Oh, absolutely. Taking, taking away the impersonal demand email. Mm-Hmm. A [00:05:30] lot of firms, this is what we require by this state. Oh, well, they're going through a horror.

Yeah. They're going through the worst time in their life. Mm-Hmm. They may not even be able to focus on anything right now. And, and so there was, yeah. [00:05:45] We, in our experience, having been other places, having other experiences, what we wanted was a very on very. Empathetic based approach and also a very honest approach.[00:06:00]

We're not gonna lie to you and say, oh, it's gonna be fast, right? It's never, it's never fast. You're dealing with filing documents with the government and it's, these are these, this is just, you know. Humans filing paperwork as fast [00:06:15] as they can going through documents filed. There is no way to speed it up.

And that's where, you know, we decided that, you know what? We're just gonna be honest. We're gonna be straightforward, and we're gonna make sure that we protect our widows and widowers and our family members who are suffering a deep and [00:06:30] really, and a loss that most of the time, like our ad says, you don't know what to ask.

Mm-Hmm. That's what we wanna be there for. Most of the people, I would say 70% of the people that contact us. We just tell them, here's how you can do it yourself. Mm-Hmm. If [00:06:45] they're unable to do so, come back. We'll help you out. Otherwise, here's how you do it. Mm-Hmm. Because it can be done, but. It is like a second, you know, part-time job.

So, you know, the, but the reality is that's what should be done. Yeah. If you can do it on your own, you [00:07:00] can do it on your own. If you need our help, we're there for you. Yeah. And I always tell people, you know, because honestly we have a, a different business and so this, the estate has really not our money making side.

It's really, I'll enjoy it. I, I want to do it. So I usually tell people, if you can do this on your [00:07:15] own, save attorney fees, do it. And I'll be happy to answer general questions. But a lot of people just can't navigate the core system when they're dealing with the emotional stuff on top of all that. So I would, I would from, from a consumer, right?

Mm-Hmm. So I currently work in family law. Mm-Hmm. [00:07:30] Shout out. We have a podcast too called The Exit Strategy Podcast, also produced by Joe. Check it out. Shameless, shameless plug there. But for the, the, I like to always think in the consumer mind, the general consumer. So you're talking about these court documents.

The firm name is NC Estate [00:07:45] Solutions. You have other side to it obviously. Which please expand on that as well. But, so you're talking about the court documents, and I think a lot of people think estate or if they hear estate planning, they think of wills, trust, estate, things like that. Mm-Hmm. But you guys really also fo really focus on the probate side, right?

So a lot of people [00:08:00] don't know. What that term means. So please explain in terms that we all understand. Yeah. So, right, we do very little planning. Our focus is on after death. So all the planning documents someone does prior to them [00:08:15] dying probate is afterwards. So we're really dealing with the families on what do you do when that person dies?

There's so many aspects of that, you know, what do I do with the car? Who are the heirs? How do I get that property to transfer? Do I need to. Open our full estate [00:08:30] to sell the house. I gotta run a notice to creditors. How do I pay those creditors? There's no money in the estate. I mean, there's so many things that that can happen after a person dies.

And if you don't do this every day, it is so complicated for, for [00:08:45] lay people. And especially when you put that emotional stuff on the top of it, it's very overwhelming. And again, we're dealing with the government. So there's hundreds of documents that you must use in their correct form, correct order, and correct manner.

Mm-Hmm. So if you improperly file a document Mm-Hmm. It's going to be [00:09:00] rejected and going to have to be refiled, right? Yeah. Right. So it is very tedious, and even, correct me if I'm wrong, but even if someone that passes has. A will. Mm-Hmm. Has a plan in place. Mm-Hmm. I mean, the government still gets involved.

So it depends if, if [00:09:15] everything that someone has is already in a trust or the planning documents are so airtight that there's no assets to be dealt, dealt with after the fact. It could potentially stay outta probate, but usually there's something left like a a car that someone hasn't put into the trust and you still have to open an estate just [00:09:30] for that car.

Or a lot of times people don't put the real property in the trust and then they wanna sell it. Well, you have to open a full estate, do that notice to creditors to make sure you're cutting off the rights. So those creditors I, I had a, a man contact me today, actually. His son died and. The [00:09:45] court told him he didn't need to do a thing.

Well, he's got two cars and a motorcycle in the son's name. He said, you don't need, well, and it's, he's half on the title and the son's half on the title. Well, that doesn't pass automatically. So he's gotta go do all, you know, have those documents to transfer that. So there's so many [00:10:00] nuances and the court can't advise you.

People will go talk to the Mm-Hmm. Folks at the courthouse and they'll say, oh, we'll just do this. And, and they're, they just don't know. Mm-Hmm. And every county, because they're not attorneys, they're not attorneys, they should not be advising you by way unauthorized, giant practice of law. Exactly. [00:10:15] Yeah.

Unauthorized practice of law. It's a thing. Exactly. Yeah. And also every county, as you know, is so different and so just navigating all of those differences every day. Yeah. I mean, it is, it is a really common thing with, you know, with when it comes to vehicles. And other like [00:10:30] assets that are titled Mm-Hmm.

But not real property, right? Correct. And you know, we all love the DMV dearly. I like a hot behind, it's always easy like butter, so, yeah. Yeah. No, I, none of it is [00:10:45] easy. Yeah, none of it is easy. And I'll just say even. You, you can't plan for everything. As much as my type A heart would like to, but can't.

You know my, just one example and then we will get into the, the lighter rambling. My family, [00:11:00] unfortunately, in 2021 we had a pretty tragic car accident that happened and my uncle, my grandfather, and my aunt all lived. Together, basically. And they were all riding together and they were in a, unfortunately, in a car accident.

And my uncle [00:11:15] passed away at the scene. My grandfather survived, was taken to the hospital unfortunately passed away a couple days later. And my aunt suffered a severe brain injury, and they were all the. Executors or like powers of [00:11:30] attorney or anything like that on the documents because Yep. Who would think that if one of you was incapacitated of the other two Yeah.

That all of you would be incapacitated? Mm-Hmm. So, and my, my bonus dads had, you know, it was his brother, so he stepped in. And my mom and like the whole family really did [00:11:45] rally. But you're right, one of the first things is like, how do the bills get paid? Mm-Hmm. And whenever all three really heads or whatever of the household are incapacitated Yeah.

Or no longer with us, where do you even start? You know? Yeah. And my, my uncle was an ICE agent and like he had members of his ICE team that [00:12:00] came in and tried to like really rally and help all the things, but those were all things you couldn't really plan for. Mm-Hmm. So there is still gonna be that level of Yeah.

And they, there were wills involved in all of that. Mm-Hmm. But there was still a level of the government and. Going through that process and everything that was in, [00:12:15] that was a part of all of that. Yeah. So it really is helpful to talk to people that know what they're talking about. Absolutely. Now I will say it can be done, it can, it can be absolutely airtight.

And that's, that's the point of law, right? Yeah. Yeah. The, the way, one language to stitch it. Stitch [00:12:30] it tight to where that there is contingency mm-Hmm. Right. Contingency as executors. And also just that we have the most amazing referral partners. We do. We, oh my goodness. We have some awesome [00:12:45] estate planning and trust planning.

Mm-Hmm. And tax attorneys in our pocket that we. Love to talk to. Mm-Hmm. And love our, our clients are, if, if we can't assist them after, right. If it's something simple that they want us to review, they want new [00:13:00] documents, we are going to send them to an expert. Our expertise is in probate and a state administration.

We send off our referral basis for all of the planning. Smart. But our so smart, our relationship with the planning and the tax attorneys [00:13:15] helps us continue to evolve our knowledge and our ability to help our clients when they've reached that point of having lost someone. Right? Yeah. Oh, I, you know, for any estate that I'm working on, unless it's just something very simple and straightforward, I'm usually collaborating with.

[00:13:30] Orally. Mm-Hmm. To do the tax law side of it and or to file fiduciary returns or whatever the case may be. But we are always partnering with those folks who have, that's, you know, that's their bread and butter. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Which is key because it is, I feel like when you [00:13:45] call like door attorneys, right?

Like they take anything that walks in their door, you, you don't. You know, a little bit about a lot. Mm-Hmm. But you don't know a lot about anything. Correct. And that makes me really scared. Yes. Especially when it comes to the law, because there are so many nuances. And specifically we are based in [00:14:00] Raleigh North Mm-Hmm.

Raleigh ish area, North Carolina. And there are 100 counties in this state. And every county has its own set of local rules. The law is the same, but the local rules are, are different. So it, it, it, the nuances, the, the focus, it matters folks. Mm-Hmm. It really does. It really, really, really does [00:14:15] matter. So thank you guys so much for sharing about that.

Yeah. Oh, of course. Of course. So, you know. Very serious topic. We, we like to ask our guests what they wanna ramble about. And I, I particularly loved this. , so this is what Kara wants to know. How does a [00:14:30] sponge hold water if it's full of holes? This is a brilliant question. It is legitimate inquiring minds. Wanna know, I have never thought about this before, and I'm gonna do what everybody does.

I'm gonna go to Google. Google. Do, do you want me to give you my biology [00:14:45] lesson? Yes, please. Well, mine came from a metaphorical uhhuh. Oh, no perspective. I, I got, I got the both sides of it. That's why I tipped over between, and I was very shit move when I did this question, Uhhuh. So I'll tell you what mine was about at the time, but go ahead.

No, no, no. Lead me in. Well, I was thinking, I was [00:15:00] like, you know what, as a woman, because it was like, I think it was late Mm-Hmm. And I was filling this out. Mm-Hmm. And I was like very angry and I'd done all the things. Mm-Hmm. All the things I've worked, I've fixed the dinners, I've done the lunches, I've changed the diapers, I've done the bath.

I was like, you know what? That's what I feel like. Yeah. I'm like a sponge. I'm doing it [00:15:15] all. I'm carrying it all, and I'm have all these holes. It's just leaking out and I'm just like, that's what I was thinking. I was like, women. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Don't apologize. That's too, he needs no apology. SI was like, we.

We hold so much. Yes. [00:15:30] How are we still doing it? How are we still doing it? Because we're expected to United Sponges of America because who else is gonna, who's, who's gonna do it? Yeah. Because society, that's how we've been. Mm-Hmm. Raised to be correct. [00:15:45] The end all, be all nurturers too. Your, your happiness, your health partner.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a lot. Not to say all. Not to say that there are not equal partnerships. My brother and my sister-in-Law, yes, they're a great example of that. [00:16:00] Unicorns exist. Yes they do. Yes they do. But to your point, I mean that, that is a good point. And. Metaphorically speaking. Mm-Hmm. I would say because society has taught us that we're supposed to Mm-Hmm.

And that we're capable. Yep. And well, and we just don't really have a choice. Correct. Correct. I mean, to survive. Yep. [00:16:15] For our children to survive. For our children to survive to literally for the future. Mm-Hmm. To survive. We must be empty sponges. Exactly. But we're still still holding it. That's where I'm still carrying it.

But that's what, when I, I, I read that somewhere, I was like, oh. That's me and I'm just like, [00:16:30] girl, girl. I love, I hope you feel like you are saturating your sponge in here with us right now. Yes. Yes. I'll say, when I read your question, I thought of my very sad, very faded, dried out sponge that sits below my kitchen sink.

That only [00:16:45] comes out in the very rare instances that I cleaned my. My bathroom when I should way more than I do. I need family that actually, no, I had family come into town last weekend, so I did clean my bathrooms last weekend. I was there. I appear witness, yes. But my [00:17:00] mind immediately went to this dilapidated, just like arch dry sponge, you know, where the like the scrubby parts, A little frazzled.

Yes. And you know, lit lin roll little lip balls in there. But every time. You soak it with water. That's right. It just [00:17:15] back Yep. Mm-Hmm. Plumps right back on up. Yep. And I think we, going back to your metaphor. Mm-Hmm. When we find those moments of time in all of these expectations in the world, society, you know, familial expectations and [00:17:30] responsibilities and work and societal expectations, when we find those moments, individually or cir by the circle that we keep, Mm-Hmm.

It saturates our sponge. It does. That sounds a little sexual. It does. But if girl, [00:17:45] my sponge, please, please saturate my sponge.

My new pickup line on my next that side fucked episode with Elaine when she was keeping all the sponges. That's, no, I don't. I I'm sorry. I'm not, I'm not assigned. You're not assigned something yet. No, [00:18:00] I'm not saying I'm not a fan. I've just never really watched, watched it. Don't hate me, don't me.

Then they have to hate me too, because I only know the random clips from shows and movies. I never watched the whole thing. I know Kramer, that's it. Yes. But yeah, but I think all those things just help fill us back up and make us feel. [00:18:15] You know, I mean, just motivated to do everything else. You know what I mean?

It's what fills up our cup. Which honestly is, or sponge. Or sponge or sponge. You, you put the sponge in the cup Mm-Hmm. And fills it. You know, which is a large contributor to, to why we're all here [00:18:30] today on this podcast because it was some, a Dr. A dream and a wish Yes. That, that I had. But I surrounded my people, my myself, with the right people such as yourself.

And it was something I wanted to do to, to bring in folks to pour back into, to my [00:18:45] own cup because of all the other things you know of him. There's, we could go off on so many tangent about Yes, yes. All of the things. Yes. But but yeah, now I will say. According to Google. Mm-Hmm. What does it mean? Okay.

Yeah. Wanna hear this? The not, I can literally tell you I used [00:19:00] to teach this. Oh, okay. Do you want me to tell you? I'm gonna read what Gemini AKA Google's AI says, and then I want you to debunk it. Deon Calcium Carbonate with spill cost debon for science. A [00:19:15] sponge holds water despite having holes because the structure of the sponge creates a network of tiny interconnected channels and pockets within its material, allowing water molecules to adhere to the sponges surface and be trapped inside [00:19:30] these spaces.

Sounds like the patri patriarchy. Mm-hmm. Effectively filling the holes with water that can be squeezed out later. Essentially, the large surface area created by the holes maximizes water absorption. Hmm. Yes. The water [00:19:45] polarity within each cylinder, right, holds that droplet water in each pocket, and then squeeze and release.

Listen, I feel like there's a lot that we can unpack there. We're using [00:20:00] an organism, an animal to scrub. Tubs. Okay. So that's what I think about. I'm like, this isn't, this is an actual animal. The Ian classification of an animal, right? It's em is, [00:20:15] yeah, it, and you just take that body. You just lather that body around.

Actually don't use sponges at all. I just like, so, but it's so funny you come up that question actually, I don't use these, I don't all, [00:20:30] no. Okay. But is, so when I, so like the scotch bright blue sponges that I, that's not an animal, is it? No, I'm talking about That's like a actual what, what the, that is built off this organisms model.

But that's what the sponge originally, that's the sponge that, [00:20:45] but that's made of plastic. That's made of silica. Yeah. Right. That's mass produced from oil. That, yeah. No, that's a, that's just a model off of what all of the natural sponges that exist, cultures across the world that were next to the sea, would utilize that animals body to clean [00:21:00] shit.

Yeah. Joe, do you use a sponge? No, I have a, I mean, fake sponges. Yeah, sure. Yeah. No, I love, I this sponge. I love taking that little kid. The sponge comes from Bath and Body Works, then. Yeah, that's the one. There's a little thing. It's got like fabric on [00:21:15] one side and squishy stuff on the other. That's what I use.

A loofah. Is that what it The loofah. The loofah. Mm-Hmm. Not a sponge. A loofah, not a sponge. Nope. That does not hold water. We need your wife on this podcast. Joe doesn't. We can call her if you want. [00:21:30] No, I mean, it is, it's just a, a super simple organism, right? That metaphorically bears the same burden as a organism with a high thought process, right?

No matter what it's still doing. Its simple little job. [00:21:45] It's holding its water, it's a little moving and around, you know, doing its business, being busy, being full, and that's all that thing does. Eat shit. Babies. So like women. Yes. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that there, your, your [00:22:00] analogy is not off, man.

No, it's, it's, it's so spot on and blisters. I wish you could see Deja and the, the animation that comes along with her imitating a sponge and everything that goes flagella. [00:22:15] Yeah. The flagella. It's fantastic. So, but deja, there's so many, it's whip, there's many days, so days where I'm feeling like that.

Mm-Hmm. And then I was thinking about this third day because I was feeling like that, and I think the very next morning you sent me this message, you were like. You're doing such an awesome job. I'm so appreciative of, you know, the job, and I was like, [00:22:30] oh, now I feel good again. Your sponge got rung out a little bit so that you could Yeah.

Yes. To create space for more. No, I love that. And that's why love. No, that's a absolute necessary in our, the times that we're in right now, women must pour into each other's [00:22:45] sponges.

No, I'm, I know we just got, we just hit a different classification in the podcast. Listen, we, we, no, we really, really do. That's absolutely important to me. Since beginning of this month, I really have felt the [00:23:00] need to really reach out. Really. Because I am spiraling inside of my head. Mm-Hmm. Right. So I figure every other woman that I know, that's probably accurate.

Yeah. She's doing the same thing. So I'm like, oh, if I need some reinforcement, I better send reinforcement. Yeah, because you give, you [00:23:15] give, you get what you give. That's right. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's, I mean, no matter where you are in your life, right? Like the three of us are in different phases, right?

And Joe, over there is in a different, just an old man. And, and, and we're all [00:23:30] in these different phases of life, but can absolutely relate to that metaphor. Of the different things that 'cause life doesn't stop, man. It's just like throwing shit at you nonstop. And you're either like Neo in the matrix and you dodge some of it and other [00:23:45] times you gotta absorb it.

Mm-Hmm. And figure it out along the way and. That's tough, man. It's so, I love that. If was a sponge it could, but just bullets just would've went in the holes. We would've been fine. That's the next matrix movie, Joe. Spoiler alert I'm not bulletproof, I'm a sponge. [00:24:00] Suck them up and spin 'em back at, at you.

I, I just ran a whole SpongeBobs matrix scenario in my, that five seconds. Who lives in a pineapple? Full love. Which pill? SpongeBob. [00:24:15] Squid word comes in there with the pills. Oh man. That should, that episode needs to be made 100%. Oh my goodness. Oh, oh God. Kara, thank you so much for that. Oh, you're welcome. [00:24:30] I loved it.

That's great. So, so listeners out there, do you feel like a sponge? Do you absorb too much? Mm-Hmm? Are you not able to absorb enough? Do you need to be rung out? Do feel? Do you need to be filled back up? Yes. Do you need? Do you feel like a dried out sponge? [00:24:45] Yeah. Maybe just needs to be done. If you're not able to express that your flexible skeleton is becoming dry, please ask.

Tell other people. Say something. Talk to your friends. No. It's a legitimate thing. Like when you're feeling [00:25:00] down, you're feeling depressed, you're feeling anxious. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Reach out like we're we should all be coming together. And yes, I have an accident feeling our sponges. I have an accidentally deep thought.

Oh, let's hear it. So if you're, if you're too rung out, that's when you start to stink. Ooh, [00:25:15] that's a good, that's true. Nothing worse than that. Kitchen sponges, the whole, yep. Right. You could smell on the other side of the room, probably. Literally. And physi, I mean, and metaphorically true for two, yes. Yeah.

And listen, self-care is not selfish. Mm-Hmm. No, no. That is so, and I like, I [00:25:30] want that. And I, in some ways and social media, my algorithm feeds me what I wanna see. Right? So I'm, I'm a motivational quote junkie. I love all the cheesy things and dogs and like starting over in life. Mm-Hmm. And all these kinds of different little quotes and metaphors and [00:25:45] things like that.

But there's this overriding message of, that I hope is starting to change and that self-care is not selfish. You need it. Everyone needs it. It is selfless to be honest. Mm-Hmm. Because if you don't take care of yourself, then you don't have anything to give anybody else. Correct. Good for you. Really don't for no [00:26:00] 100%.

And I'm really bad about it. And you know, I'm really bad about it. She tells me all the time. Yes, time. But we gotta make time. Yes. Don will keep dipping your sponge. Oh, snap. Ooh. Did she just hit on you? I think so. I mean, I'm flattered

[00:26:15] [00:26:30] [00:26:45] [00:27:00] okay. Well, Kara, I have a very, very important and thought provoking question to ask you. Mm-Hmm. Is a hot dog? A sandwich. Okay. I've done a lot of thinking about this [00:27:15] since you had this. Okay, so, so end Daja and i's Trailer o opening episode of, of this podcast. Mm-Hmm. We both answered this question. Okay.

So I cannot wait for you to share. Well, okay. So my, my initial thought is not the same as what I have now come to after doing research. [00:27:30] Deep thoughts. Imagine that. Because when I first thought I'm like, okay. Of course it's a sandwich. It's between bread, it's meat between bread and also. The other, when you think of a sandwich, like you're sandwiching something between something like a person, like if you were [00:27:45] sandwiched.

Mm-hmm. Right. But I looked this definition up them and it says The reason a hot dog is not, this is Cambridge, I think is where the definition came from anyways. Doesn't matter. The reason a hot dog is not a sandwich is because the bread is [00:28:00] connected. Yes. And so the two pieces, it's a bun. It's a pita, it's not Okay, but hold on pieces.

I really disappointed. It's a piece, not pieces of bread, right? So it says the connecting piece makes it not a sandwich. Okay, but [00:28:15] hold the fucking phone because I have a follow up because she's just disagreeing with us. Well, I don't, no, I, I, my initial thought is because then tacos would be sandwiches, right?

And they're not. But, or gorditas. Okay. But tacos a different, but that's cho, that's, that's d That's not, yeah. That's different and that's good. And or [00:28:30] the, but Okay. Okay, okay. Okay. But so when you go to, in a sandwich, I think we, we think of your sliced Yep. Bread. Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. But you can go to your local bakery.

Mm-Hmm. Deli within the grocery store and get [00:28:45] much more delicious bread. Mm-Hmm. That is connected, but that's also not a sandwich. Then you have to slice a little bit. It's not a sandwich. If the bun is a bun and un connected, it is a single loaf that has been sliced to fill in. Okay. But [00:29:00] you're cutting horizontally.

What if one is cut, not disconnected? If it's connected, that's the part connected. Okay. But, but you can go get like the Hawaiian rolls. Mm-Hmm. Or Shabbat rolls. Well cut 'em apart and then it's a sandwich, but I don't. So I live in that sandwich life bitch, [00:29:15] but I'm, I'm very disappointed because I was dead set on those a sandwich.

I still am, I still live in the sandwich camp. Well, if you have a, like a leaky hot dog Mm-hmm, then, then you got a sandwich. If it falls through the bun, leaky hot dog, you know when a hot dog is too moist and it sits [00:29:30] through the bun hot dog, right? When you have a really cheap bun and the cut is real thin, and then the liquids just separate it, it's sponge it evolves into a sandwich. You gotta take a bite. Then Jen is in life. Hot dog escapes at the bottom. You know, listen, I don't [00:29:45] have to be right. I just have to believe in myself. Okay? That's true. Listen, I'm, I'm still gonna go. These are hills we are dying on. Yes, fine. It's fine. Maybe I'll be convinced one day, but that day is not today.

Ugh. Ugh. You [00:30:00] stay, you boo. I know. We're want a hot dog now though. Now I'm hungry. I know. Yeah. All right. I like pass. I liked Joe's answer before when we asked him. He was like, well, I've never eaten five sandwiches at a time. Good. But I've had five hot dogs. That's [00:30:15] a good point. Okay, so next, very, very serious question for you.

What's the last song that got stuck in your head? Well, I don't know what I put on that. Okay, great. But now, now it's. The Mariah Carey's Christmas song. [00:30:30] You know what? She has default. Oh my gosh. She has default. She's everywhere. Oh yeah. And yes, unfortunately kids are, that's not, that is not what you put on your questionnaire.

It has been a little bit of time. You put, I wish we could play the songs and I check with Joe. Yeah. But we [00:30:45] don't wanna, you know, you are attorney as well when we become rich and famous and can afford it. Yes. We don't wanna have some copyright infringement, so we're staying away from playing the songs as much as we wish we could.

Deja, feel free to hum them. Mm-Hmm. But the song you put here was [00:31:00] very good one. Barry, I would love to know what you were doing. Barry White can't get enough of your love, baby. I You're not. I do love that song though. You were not great song. You were not in your sponge era. I was. Whatever. I was having a great night [00:31:15] before the sponge thing happened.

Love it. But I don't know where, what I was doing, but I love that song. Yes. I love a lot of old well, you know, I love old people. Mm-hmm. To visit, to marry. Mm-Hmm. Whatever. You just name it. I love old people and it's fantastic. And probate example, [00:31:30] girl, you've just gotten your niche. I just, I do, I do.

It's old people no matter how you slice it. So you do slice it as the sandwich you do. Boom, bitch. Yes, Joe, with a mic [00:31:45] drop.

Oh man. I hope you guys. Or laughing as well. If not, I'm sorry, but I don't know. Find some hum humor in your life. Just put up one finger if you're in the comb and let 'em know you're laughing. [00:32:00] Right? And that question came from, I don't know what happened in my brain this summer. But there were so many nights that I literally woke up with songs stuck in my head and I could not go back to sleep.

Mm-Hmm. Until I played them and there was [00:32:15] a repetition of Noah Khan's stick season. God. And I was like, what is happening in my life right now that this is a song that keeps on getting stuck in my head and it would literal wake me up out of a dead sleep stuck in my head. I think you drink until your friends came home for Christmas.

That's, yeah. Huh? Drink until your friends came [00:32:30] home for Christmas. Well, you know, I'm on the right track. Yeah, I don't know, but, and so I was just like, and to be completely honest, that's my opener on dating apps. What's the last song that got stuck in your head? I, well, I think that tells a lot about a person.

It does. I mean, what kind of music to listen to. Yes. You [00:32:45] know? For sure. Also, I'm like, I've never heard of that song. So then I'll go look it up and I'm like, oh, maybe it's new music I like because it tells you a lot about them. It definitely does weird like eating. It definitely does. I'm like, damn, dude, you're deep into a vibe.

You do you. But that's not [00:33:00] me. Okay. This one, we gotta laugh about it because it's. If you don't love, you cry. Yes. All right. The last thing that made you go, Hmm. And Kara, your [00:33:15] answer like, A lot of us, well, not enough of us, apparently. Yeah. Not enough is people who voted for Trump. Yeah. Yeah. And I won't, I won't go too much into it.

I just with, I have three girls. I know you said you had two. They're 12, nine, and three. And they had [00:33:30] so many questions. You know why? Mm-Hmm? Why he's so mean. It just, they're simplistic questions. Mm. Yep. You know, he doesn't like women, he's not nice. That kind of thing. I just go and I can't answer them. Nope.

And it was very, very sad. Like I said, there, we [00:33:45] could go into all kinds of issues, but for me it was just the very simple questions from girls that age. My 12-year-old stayed up all night. She'd wake me up every hour and say, what, what, what's the order of the numbers? What are the numbers? Mm. What are the numbers?

And finally, at 4:00 [00:34:00] AM she fell asleep. First thing she said, please tell me it's not Trump. And that's, you know, a 12-year-old. And she's very smart too, though. She's very smart. But she, and she's very aware of, of, you know, what's going on without being, both of her parents are attorneys, so she's, she's snapping fast.

Right. But it was [00:34:15] just very sad for me to say. I, I just don't have a good answer, you know? No, I mean, that's all you like. What else can you say? Mm-Hmm. You know, all we can do is. Hope for better and, and do something to change it. Talk to people, you know, but there's hope that it's not as bad as we're preparing for it to be.

Yeah. And that's what I told him. I said, [00:34:30] it's probably not gonna be as bad as what we're we're thinking, but Mm-Hmm. Well, not for us. Right. But we're privileged white women. Right. But it's just a fact. It's just a fact. You're right. I, I, you know, I was talking to my sons and we had the same conversation and I stayed up my my 18-year-old, [00:34:45] it was his first vote, right?

Mm-Hmm. I was so proud. We went to vote together and then he came over and we, you know, watching the election all night. And just the, the basic questions like, what, wait, what? They, they've what? [00:35:00] Yeah. Like they, that, that guy who was Mm-Hmm. He was, he didn't, Hey, when did you We saw he was like convicted of sexual assault.

Yeah, sweetie. In civil court. He was convicted of sexual assault. Well, didn't like felony. Yeah, sweetheart. Mm-Hmm. There was 34 [00:35:15] felonies. But, you know, and then literally like that next day I'd be like, but you guys look at the fact that the number one Google hit is, can I change my vote? And it's because now people didn't bother to, is it really?

I did not know that it was kid. People didn't bother to look up [00:35:30] basic information. Yeah. Well that's the problem is education. That. And it is education. Education. So I'm gonna end this with are they gonna dismantle the Department of Education? Yeah. I, 'cause legitimately was, it was, it was an uneducated, I'm, I'm out of it until all of a sudden the day before, I [00:35:45] need to be into it.

What, what matters to me? Oh, they pumped out a bunch of commercials and ads that were directly focused at the economy. If you were only paying attention on that one day, of course, which apparently two to 3% of the people we're doing. Mm-Hmm. That's where we are now. I know my 12-year-old kept saying. She was looking at the [00:36:00] tv, she would go just outta the blue.

34 felonies. 34 felon. She was just yelling. I was like, I love that child. She, that child is gonna take over the world. I love it. I, so speaking of privileged white women, I had just gotten back from a four nights stay [00:36:15] in Jamaica and I came, Jamaica sent me home with germs. Mm-Hmm. So I had a very bad cold sig bone and I was down and out that Tuesday.

It was not covid. That still exists, but for sure. [00:36:30] But I, so I literally was just sleeping on and off all day and I think it was a blessing to be completely honest and into the night. And then I just woke up the next morning and I saw the results and. I didn't feel the [00:36:45] looming gray cloud that I did the first time around whenever he won the election.

Mm-Hmm. And I just think maybe it's just like desensitization to it. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. And then I'm like, well, we survived that four years. He's only got four years. I don't know what's gonna happen in that four [00:37:00] years, but we will make it. Mm-Hmm. We will make it. And there are, there's enough in my support system and beyond that, that we will rally and make it.

And so, Joe, I'm, I don't, I'm not gonna sit there and ask about who did I vote for? [00:37:15] Yes. But however, as a father of daughters and having a wife and two girl dogs. Yeah. If they chose to extend their opinion, they're very involved opinion in politics. Yes. Is Kara expressed about her daughters. Did, did your, were your daughters involved at all or paying attention or, I mean, yeah, they were bummed [00:37:30] out.

You, you were talking about the funny Google stats. The day of the election, the number one Google search was, did Joe Biden drop out? Yeah. Right. That what? Oh, wow. Oh my gosh. Terrifying. So again, the, the vote swung by the. Un [00:37:45] undereducated. Right? But you know, these people are Googling this while they're in the holes.

Day off. I can't find Biden. 3% of the population literally on that day went, huh? I think we'll get involved. Lemme Google this. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. And then [00:38:00] saw whatever was then being algorithm pumped. It was a, it was a strange election. There's a new term and I can't remember what it is, but it's not, it's not oligarchy, but it's like oligarchy and it's called being ruled by the worst.

And I feel like that's where we live right now. We do. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Like I'll tell you, I voted for, I [00:38:15] didn't, I didn't vote for Trump. I voted. I voted and I didn't really vote for Kamala, although I did. I just more voted against Trump. Mm-Hmm. It was a weird one. Right. But it, it's a strange election and it feels the, [00:38:30] the second one in a row where it's like we can't get anybody else like Mm-Hmm. We got all these good, seems like there's pretty smart people around, right? Mm-Hmm. And, but it seems like the system is rigged that the, instead of the cream of the crop making it to the top, it's just poop. Yeah, no, I agree with that.

[00:38:45] You just described the GOP. Yes. Yeah. Well, and we, and you're right. Just. There's so many qualified people. Yes, it is. Why I think it's just, well, and it's, it's, I think it's like the, the, the proliferation of, of hatred and toxic trolls. Mm-Hmm. [00:39:00] That keeps good, qualified people from running for office. Yeah.

Because they don't wanna be endlessly attacked. They don't want their families pulled through mud. Yeah. Not worth it for him. Definitely not. It's not. And so, I mean. People ask like why can't Romney run? Well, he [00:39:15] don't want to, like, why can't you pick somebody else? He's busy, unstrapping his dog on the top of his car, give the man a break.

Well, and just dealing with, and his magic underwear, taking a bit to button and just dealing with politics on a local level. I can't imagine the scrutiny [00:39:30] and the stress on the family or, Mm-Hmm. We had some wins here in North Carolina, right? Yes, we did. That's, oh, Josh Chang. Yes, we did. But just, you know, being Jeff, right, dealing with the politics of having, being married to someone who has run for a small office.

Right? Mean, I can't [00:39:45] imagine. I can't, I think it's, I, several years ago had to. Stop watching. Oh my gosh, I'm blanking right now. With Kevin Spacey. House of Cards. House cards. House cards. Mm-Hmm. Because I was like, I bet this is a little more real than [00:40:00] we want to believe it is. I watched that before, right?

Yeah. When it first came out, and then it was, the parallels were like, whoa. Yes. Exactly. That's how it was for me. Mm-Hmm. And I just, I, I'm not a super Uber. Political person. I, [00:40:15] I just love people and I want all people to have the same rights as all the other people. Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. And that's the camp that I live in.

So if you're opposite that camp, I'm opposite of you. Right? Yep. And I, it was, it's just, and why that is because let's be real. Financially, America's always gonna [00:40:30] survive. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Regardless. Yeah. It's always gonna survive. And so, you know, and I feel like that sometimes people, that those are the two camps that they live in.

And I don't wanna hear shit about the military. I'm a very pro-military family. Mm-Hmm. And that doesn't mean that I have to be anti certain democratic [00:40:45] policies or anything like that. That's dumb. Okay. Mm-Hmm. Get off that horse. It's, yep. So I'm just pro people. And we all get a slice of the pie. It's not a power.

It should not be a power struggle. Right. It's, it's not, there's enough for everyone. It's just that there hasn't been enough for [00:41:00] everyone. Mm-Hmm. And it's time that there is. And so that's the camp that I live. And so if you're against that, I'm against you. And unfortunately that's what we've landed.

And I hope that there is enough disdain and fuel for education. In this [00:41:15] mistake that we've unfortunately made as a country and somebody runs somebody that's towards the center. If anybody No, no, any party ran towards the center. It's all about, it is all about being a celebrity. I. No. Our [00:41:30] politicians were boring as fuck.

We didn't care. Okay. And now because of Trump, now they care. It is about now people care being a personality. That's the e personality. Yeah. A media. [00:41:45] Hundred percent. Yeah, they gave his ass way too much goddamn time. Yeah. This election instead of calling him out four years ago. No, that's absolutely true.

And we're gonna be stuck in this for all of eternity with him. Yep. We're gonna see, we're gonna hear it. We're gonna be inundated with it. It's gonna be nonstop. Whereas before. I'm [00:42:00] sorry. I am gonna be 45 next year. I'm thinking back like you don't look a day over 21. Damn girl. You old. Glorious. I'm just kidding.

I am a political junkie. I've watched every, every convention, both parties since [00:42:15] I could vote. 18. Like I, it should be boring. They shouldn't matter. Mm-Hmm. Take their mics away. Stop asking them stupid shit. Just go back to letting them create legislation and policy. [00:42:30] Right. Set. But we need, but it's sensational.

Correct. When, when Hulk Hogan came out to talk, oh my God, I thought I would die. I trying to, I was manifesting ripping for him. I was helping him. I felt I was actually doing the actions. I was like, I got you, [00:42:45] brother. Brother. Not. I gave up. I was like, you know what? This is all a show now. And all these people who never used to vote, now all of a sudden are voting for, yeah.

The, the celebrity. Yes, exactly. Well, well, that's the whole cult mentality. Yeah. Well, and and to [00:43:00] your point there, so one of the, I've I've mentioned the Artie and only a couple of episode I've, I've mentioned my, my bonus at a couple of times. But he and I don't always see eye to eye on certain things. But we have the beautiful and seemed lost art [00:43:15] ability to have a difference of opinion.

Mm-Hmm. But still be very respectful and not lose the love for each other. Yep. Yeah. And when it was Trump and Hillary election, he and I were not seeing eye to eye on that. And he was like, well, you [00:43:30] know, but Hillary's got all these celebrity endorsements. And I was like, Trump is a celebrity, right? Yes.

That's where he started. That was literally a commercial, like, where do you, why would you vote for someone who has celebrity endorsements? When you could vote for a celebrity. Right, exactly. And so [00:43:45] that's, that's, Trump changed the game for politics with that. Definitely. You know, for better or for worse, he changed the game with that.

I mean, Reagan, Trump, who was a democrat. Right. All the way up until that's, that blows my mind. They don't actually know him. They don't know his background. All they [00:44:00] believe is the Russian propaganda that's bumped into their algorithms, the Russian propaganda and the illegal immigrant Papa propaganda. Yes.

I feel so bad for Oof. That's what bothered It's our, it's our immigrant population, especially our Hispanic immigrant population. Oh, where [00:44:15] America we're the melting pot. So terrified about so many families and what's gonna happen here. But I know it's terrifying. Yeah. Nothing we can do about now. My 3-year-old dancers around the house going, eat the cats, eat the dogs, eat the cats, eat the dog.

What, what do you guys think is the solution to what I think is the worst thing that [00:44:30] happened this political season, which is, it seemed like people's political identity became their personal identity. Finitely did. Yes. And how do you think we get out of that? Because it's, it's really putting strains on relationships that don't, Trump can't be anymore.

It's only Trump. It doesn't [00:44:45] exist. There isn't a Kamala camp. Mm-Hmm. We are not, we are Democrats. I can say, and I can speak for us, we are not, oh, I think it's okay. Oh my God. We have lived and died and breathed her for years, right? No. Everything about her. No, no, no. We literally, it was like, okay, cool, she's running.

[00:45:00] She's gonna pick all the people that we want to run the, run the departments that we want to run. She's gonna have the policies put forward. Mm-Hmm. It wasn't her. Right. The de, the GOP is eating itself alive from the inside because there is a lot of Republicans who. [00:45:15] See him for who he is. He's a criminal, who is a misogynist, who is inherently corrupt.

Mm-hmm. And is draining our elderly population of their funds by endlessly campaigning to [00:45:30] drain them of funds. The amount of money, the amount of just. Oh my God. Theft that's occurred on his in the, in his name is mind-boggling to me when we're suffering those people who are suffering and can't pay their bills and talk about campaign eggs.[00:45:45]

Are donating their egg money to him. Yeah. Well you're right. It is scary though. You have people who never cared about politics. Now they're buying a t-shirts, they're doing all this stuff and it's becoming their complete identity. Mm-Hmm. I'm scared to go to my Thanksgiving Mm-Hmm. Thing next week because I'm like, I think that is different that 'cause Mag is slightly, [00:46:00] mag I think is different than Republican party.

Correct? Yes. No, I don't understand. I have Republican friends. Yeah, I do too. They are not maga No. That is a subset. It's kind of, it's definitely showing the signs of OC cult, but what do you guys think the path forward is? [00:46:15] I can't say it live on air or legally at all. Correct. I don't know. I think people have gotta find the ability to step outside their own narrow view and self [00:46:30] selfish bubble.

Mm-hmm. Right. I think when we stop caring about those around us and we lose sight of all of that. It's not gonna happen is personally impacts you. And if you look at any cult psychology, what happens is that you have a [00:46:45] direct impact upon yourself. Meaning that you are threatened that you're going to lose your family members.

Currently, what is happening in our country, right? Mm-Hmm. We've got a lot of family division, a lot of friendships, a lot of raised surviving. Surviving. Gee, you gotta be financially hit. The cult usually [00:47:00] is taking all of your money. Right. You start to realize this is not actually financially benefit me.

Mm-Hmm. So that my family can move forward so I can enhance my children's lives. And then three, it's you realize it's the control and coercion that is forcing you to take all the steps and buy all the T-shirts and [00:47:15] buy all the hats and be in all the Reddit groups. Right? When you realize, oh man, my uncle got deported.

I lost my job because they shut down the department and or division that I worked for because regulations and full, [00:47:30] just governmental departments are shut down. Right? It has to personally impact them. Yeah, that's, there is no existential No, it has be, it really has to be like one, one small piece of the puzzle that personally impacts them.

And, and this is, and like we talked [00:47:45] about, the celebrity endorsement, and I'm not gonna name celebrities, but there was, there are some celebrities in, in the country music world that have very publicly decided to, to support Trump and. They had their children. Their children are a few years older now, but their children in [00:48:00] t-shirts.

Mm-Hmm. That said Biden is a pto. Yeah. For pedophile. Yeah. Why would that, and I'm like, I don't care if it was Biden or anybody else or what. Like why do you have your children in shirts disgusting that say that another grown man is a pedophile? And don't, those don't, those celebrities know that pedophiles take [00:48:15] those pictures of their children and make sexual and they've got millions of everything.

So all you did was ignite a pedo. To think about your child. Oh no. Yeah, it's unreal. So Joe, I don't have, [00:48:30] we, we don't collectively have the answer. I don't know. Burn it down and start over. Yeah, I think that's right. I think we have to wait for to this to be gone. We have to, we have to, we have to wait for there to be enough suffering for the two to 3% so that when they look it up next [00:48:45] four years on the day of go.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I just think it all boils down to lack of education though. Yes. 'cause a lot of, and I was reading some statistics about. The typ, not, of course not all, but the typ, like the prototypical Trump voter and the [00:49:00] no education is way on up there. The percentage. I love the poorly educated Yeah.

Quote. I mean, yeah, it's right. So it's just. You know, I just don't think you can, you can't change that mentality. You just can't. Yeah. You can't. Mm-Hmm. I wonder if some of the tropes that [00:49:15] apply to like racism, I dunno, you guys have heard like how do you end racism? Stop being a racist? I wonder if some, I mean some of that kind of feels is the case here, right?

I wonder. Absolutely. I wonder if it's not gonna be solved more on, I think social media's gonna keep getting worse. I think was a failed experiment that we're all too [00:49:30] addicted to. Mm-Hmm. Not me. So I think that that challenge actually, me either won't go away for the next election cycle. So I think. What would be cool to think about is if people could, on a, on a smaller scale, figure out how to live with their neighbor [00:49:45] who thinks differently than them.

Yeah. Yep. Because I think that's how you fix it. Right? I don't think any of us is capable of saying, we're not policy writers. Right. But how do you have a better conversation with somebody who's. Polarly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, yeah, it's, I, I think you, you have to have patience and [00:50:00] grace and you can't go into it with an assumption, because I really do think there are way more people middle of the road in their thoughts.

Mm-Hmm. But then feel divided to, to vote, to, to be in either camp so strongly. Yeah. We can't preh hate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So [00:50:15] you could, you can, you can, but the, no, the reality is, is you have to lead with empathy. I am not a Christian. I was raised in the church. I can quote you the Bible that I read many, many times over, but the reality is, yeah, he had some great [00:50:30] insight about loving thy neighbor as thyself.

Mm-hmm. Because then you will not murder each other. The reason all, all of our religious books were to keep us in peace. To not have us killing each other. And now it's used to incite hate a lot times. That's absolutely correct. That's so my [00:50:45] point to what you're saying is, is the reality that that, yeah. We have to find a way to love our neighbor next door and not, don't even so love.

Right. We just have to tolerate our neighbor next door. Yeah. However, accept. We have to accept I, that's the word's powerful. It is a level, it is a level of fear of whether my [00:51:00] neighbor next door is going to use that religion to target and. Come after me. Yeah. That's where I'm like, I like religious too. And I think one of the things that when you grew up religious, the way that I did it was like, well, you can't really accept certain things 'cause then you're condoning them.

Yeah. But I think it's a [00:51:15] really powerful truth to realize that you're never gonna change anybody's mind. Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. If you don't accept them. Yep. Mm-Hmm. You don't even get to have the conversation. And I think you have, I have. I grew up that exact way in a very conservative Baptist. [00:51:30] Almost primitive like church.

And I was taught to, you know, well, not by my mom, you know, my mom, but everybody else. You don't accept people if they're different color of you, different sexual orientation, all this stuff. And I quickly realized that at a very young age, that is exactly the [00:51:45] opposite. The only way to change people and make them come over to believing what you believe is to treat them.

Kindly. Yep. With empathy. And it's not even the goal really is to what? That's a push me away. Exactly. Well, right. I mean, just Right. And I know that. Yeah. And, and I, I've seen it [00:52:00] happen to so many people. Yeah. Or just to even, you know. Right. It's not necessarily the goal, but to be, I wish people could have the same like I think the lgbtq plus community has really.

Grown in leaps and bounds. Mm-Hmm. And the ability that people have to accept and [00:52:15] be it's a normalized reaction in our society. And I wish that we could figure out how to do that for political viewpoints and be like, no, you know, I honestly, I have faith. It will, you might, you might be different than me, but you know, we can still have dinner.

That's all I'm asking. Well, and why not? That's what makes the world fun. But [00:52:30] what that, what has to happen is we have to go back to the social decorum that used to be expected when politics were boring. You did not talk about politics at holidays, and that was fine. You did not talk about politics when you got together for dinner.

You did not put 20. [00:52:45] Seven flags in your front fucking yard or on your truck so that I I get it. I got you, man. I get it. I steal other people's flags. I, oh my Lord, have mercy. And absolutely, you have to have empathy and be able to talk to each other, but you [00:53:00] can't do that if you're so polarized. There is one side that's far more polarizing definitely than the fucking other, they cannot be in the, in a room with you without bringing it up.

And that's what is like and telling you, I'll say, you are wrong. And why [00:53:15] the, it's what bothers me and racism is another day. Oh. But our episode. Our use of the other are uneducated as as we travel around the world. Right. It's very interesting when you go to other S and see how dynamically different [00:53:30] Mm-hmm.

Our culture is and how unfuck special we are. Oh, definitely. Oh yes. We are not fucking special. We are just another country who's trying to make it by, build our economies, have a great education system that, again, flux backs into that [00:53:45] economy. Right. And we just have to be able to. I think when we get past the next four years, because no, there cannot be a monarchy.

He can't come in a third time. They can try, but it can't happen. We're gonna move forward. I've always believed the ship will write itself. I believe in [00:54:00] democracy. You gotta keep that hope deeply patriot. You gotta keep it, the ship will write itself. And I will say, I mean you mentioned like that the camps, you got people that you know, super, right, left and or I mean super, super right, or you know, a little bit more than the other, but.

I've met the opposite [00:54:15] side too, and I'm like, you're not helping the situation either. That's true. That are super right, left, that are not willing to have an open and accepting conversation. I can tell you I've, I've, but like percentage wise of like people that I know and I am a Democrat, lifelong, like the radical left, [00:54:30] I've come across them and less than 5%. Well, that's because we don't tie 10 flags to our truck and, right. Correct. They're radical, right? Yeah. They're very loud and proud. Very. Yeah. But, but I will say there are sides live on both camps. Absolutely. To the point [00:54:45] of finding most people live in that, that middle ground. Mm-Hmm. But it's the.

Everything's a bell curve, right? The, the squeaky squeaky wheel gets grease, right? It so whew, guys. Sorry I brought it up guys. We fixed it. No, no. We fixed it again. Yes we [00:55:00] did. Don't talk about politics at Thanksgiving. It's me. That is asshole. That's what needs to happen. Listen, we need to go back to, Hey, aunt Ethel.

God, a Doy like we don't need to talk. I know. I told my mom, I said, if anybody brings it up. You're gonna see me flying outta there so [00:55:15] fast. You just grab your glass of wine. That's, and talk about how bad the Cowboys suck. As a Cowboys fan, I can say that. So just live in that, that terrible realm with me this season.

Anyway, guys, thank you so much. What a phenomenal conversation this is fun listeners, I hope [00:55:30] you enjoyed it. Whether you agree with us, disagree with you. We love you all the same for tuning in 'cause we still get the ratings. Isn't that right Joe? Yes. So thank you so much Kara. We got you. Thank you so much for joining us, for having me.

I appreciate it. This is fun. Yeah, absolutely. I love you man. I [00:55:45] love you. Well Joe, I love you man. Thanks. All right guys. Thanks for tuning in and I guess today, you know what? Saturate your sponge. Yes. Please. However you do that, saturate the [00:56:00] sponges next to you of other people. Yes, yes, yes. Soak it all in.

Yes, baby. And we'll catch you on the ne next episode when we ramble about something else. Sounds good. Thank you. Keep on rambling. [00:56:15] [00:56:30] [00:56:45] [00:57:00]