Ramblings of a Restless Mind

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Christopher R. Hicks: [00:00:00] I've had clients who have been literally on Jerry Springer. Like, I, I, I don't say, oh, it's a Jerry Springer case. Like, no, it's legit, legit, legit. I, yes, I've had clients on Jerry Springer, you know, those things, they're not gonna surprise me.

But what you have to remember is that it's the most important thing in the world mm-hmm. To that person. Right. And, and, and, you know, I, that's how it is with everybody in life. You're like, you know, you, you go to a coffee shop and you talk to a barista and they're having a bad day, like, that's their day.

Right. And, you know, and that's how I feel with these people, you know, who come to me and like, you know, they, they've got this crazy story. I'm not gonna laugh and, and, and be like, oh, that's crazy. You know, because yeah. That's the most important thing at the time for them. So [00:01:00]

Jen Bordeaux: One of these times. I'm just gonna grab the mic and be like, let's get ready

DeJah Debon: to

Jen Bordeaux: wrap. I guess I'm just kind of doing it now. Yeah. Yeah. That just cut me up. That happened. I need Joe, I need you to install a mic that hangs from the ceiling so I can really be like the guy that comes down. Yes. Well this is

Joe Woolworth: so just pretend.

Jen Bordeaux: Touche, touche. I also feel like you guys as listeners, you should know what kind of professionals you're dealing with here because as we were ready to start, I looked over professionals. Deja well, hold on. Professional drinkers. Okay, because I look over at Deja as we're getting ready to start recording and as she's taking a sip of her cider, as we've discussed before on the podcast.

And for new [00:02:00] listeners, unfortunately, deja is allergic to beer. Yeah. So I know it is.

Didn't have that button either. We and she was taking a sip of her cider and then I look over and she's got another one ready in the waiting for when she runs out of her current one, so that we do not disrupt the podcast episode at all. I'm a planner. Yes. I'm a planner. Yes. I like to be nobody's

Joe Woolworth: allergic to apples.

Jen Bordeaux: Correct. If you are, that would suck.

Joe Woolworth: Really. Wait. Is that true? Nobody's allergic to apples. I've never heard of anyone being allergic that up. There's gotta

Jen Bordeaux: be like somebody's allergic to everything.

Joe Woolworth: They are related to. Like if you a day you never get sick. Fructose.

DeJah Debon: Like, I don't, unless you're, well, everybody's allergic to apple seeds 'cause there's cyanide in seeds.

But you know, true, like.

Joe Woolworth: I feed my dogs. Technically. I've never heard of anyone

DeJah Debon: being allergic to apples, but they've

Joe Woolworth: never died. I feed my dogs the applecore every time I eat one. Mm-hmm. Really? And they're not dead yet. Well, you gotta eat like a thousand of them. You are

DeJah Debon: an asshole. You're an asshole to your dog's asshole.

That's

Jen Bordeaux: what you are. [00:03:00]

Joe Woolworth: I just refuse to coddle their stomachs. God. Tough enough. Dogs. Bless your poor

Jen Bordeaux: daughters. Geez. I feel like this needs of an intervention. Like, oh man. You know, you know, this makes me think back to the, one of the first episodes we dropped, 'cause it was around Christmas and the jingle, ho, ho, ho jingle all the way or whatever.

And you talked about Elf on the Shelf. Yes. And how you were talking about, I used your toothbrush on my butt. Like you've got, there's not maybe an unhealthy obsession with

Joe Woolworth: I didn't say anything about butts. I said I, I don't tackle courts. You guys are talking about butts. Fair enough. Whatever

DeJah Debon: I am. I'm Tina Belcher.

I'm all about the butts. That's what I'm gonna say. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I don't, I don't know that

Jen Bordeaux: reference Bob's Burgers. Oh, I got, I got that reference. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. I watched Bob's Burgers like once. Mm-hmm.

DeJah Debon: Love it. Yes. Top, top, but top butt. All about the top butt when a dance. Mm-hmm. That

Christopher R. Hicks: ub, that

DeJah Debon: upper butt.

That upper.

Jen Bordeaux: But yes. Love it. Love it. So, ladies and gentlemen, and [00:04:00] whatever you identify as you may have heard a not familiar male voice that has just piped in. And we are so excited to have this person joining us. And you guys have heard me talk about my previous employment that I in different life work in family law and that's where I met this person.

And my life is better for it. He is my beer buddy, my bourbon buddy that we are currently sipping on Four Roses. If you're curious, sponsor us and please. Yes. And just all around like, I don't know, like we just got along well from the get go. We're both very sarcastic and like sports things and just all the fun things and I think we kind of.

In that environment were a couple that kept level heads in, in a lot of drama that that went on with cases and sometimes within the office. So, so ladies and gentlemen, I give you Mr. Chris Hicks. Hey, love it.

. He is a husband. I know his lovely wife. She can throw down on some [00:05:00] bourbon too. Yeah, she can shout out Warren. He is a father to a wonderful nine-year-old daughter. I cannot believe she's nine. That is unreal. I

Christopher R. Hicks: can't either. And it's, it's every day.

Jen Bordeaux: Like how I can't.

Christopher R. Hicks: I know

Jen Bordeaux: because if she's nine, that means that I'm. I don't remember exactly how old she was when I met her. Mm-hmm. But like, that means I'm that many years older as well,

Christopher R. Hicks: and I'm twice as many years older now.

Jen Bordeaux: Right, right. Family law attorney and middle aged white male struggling with being a middle aged white male.

And I, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Joe Woolworth: It's tough. It's rough out here. It really is. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: And I just kind of wanna paint the picture because as we've discussed, it's audio only. Yes. But Chris, so Endearingly showed up with his own questionnaire printed out. Mm-hmm. A notebook to take notes as we were talking pen in said pocket, ready to go.

Just so prepared. I love it. Chris, thank you so much for carving out time and joining us in [00:06:00] this creative outlet that we have here.

Christopher R. Hicks: I'm so happy to be here.

Jen Bordeaux: Thanks. Funny, I mean, I,

Christopher R. Hicks: I would do this with you two just. At a table anywhere

Jen Bordeaux: which, but, you know, to record and,

Christopher R. Hicks: you know, be on, you know, podcasts.

It's,

Joe Woolworth: that's good. I forget to record a lot. Absolutely.

Christopher R. Hicks: Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: That's

Christopher R. Hicks: great. We'll just, we should just bring Joe everywhere. Yeah,

DeJah Debon: yeah. Like, I, I just, just, you understand like, there's, there's been times where like Jen and I were out, we're just having a drink, you know, a downtown Raleigh and all of a sudden it's like, cheers.

We're just like, Hey Chris, Wells Fargo just pop up

Joe Woolworth: randomly pops right

Jen Bordeaux: in,

Joe Woolworth: like

Jen Bordeaux: yeah. You know, this is the kind of relationship though. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. So Chris works at New Direction Family Law, which is where I was previously, and he's one of the partners over there. And he attended a, well, I voluntold him to go to a networking thing with me one morning.

And in this networking meeting, you've gotta stand up and like, say, they call it your, like, commercial, right? Like your 32nd commercial. And Chris set up and he was like, you [00:07:00] know, the kind of cases that like make your. Like skin crawl, your toes, curl, whatever. He was like, those are the cases that I take.

And he's not wrong. Like you, you get the craziest and the most heartbreaking and kind of scariest kind of stuff going on. So how you doing over there, buddy?

Christopher R. Hicks: The same, I was on vacation last week and I came back Monday. Well, I was in trial Monday, Tuesday. I came back yesterday and one of the other attorneys said, I got this case and I was talking to one of the other attorneys about it and she said, you know, really talk to Chris about this.

Jen Bordeaux: And it's, you

Christopher R. Hicks: know, it's brothers, sister. Just drama, everything. And they're just like, yeah, that's a Chris thing. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. There were so many

Jen Bordeaux: times so part of my role there at the firm was when people that were interested in services would reach out, and sometimes, a lot of times actually that was through the website, which made sense.

Like, people aren't on the street corner being like, I need a divorce attorney

DeJah Debon: holding up signs. Yeah. Or they might, [00:08:00] they might be, but

Jen Bordeaux: that's not really what we're looking for. Yeah. Yeah. And so the description that would come in sometimes it was just so baffling. After doing that for like 10 years, I would still be like, man, I haven't seen this one before.

And so I would like put it into our, the inner office communication. And immediately if it was one of those, like all the attorneys would be like, I don't know, ask Chris. Sounds like a Chris case. So I, I don't know how that happened. I, well, yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: I mean, I think part of that's part of what I was doing before Fair.

You know, before I came to New Direction Family Law, before I was. In Raleigh, I was in Harnett County, more rural, and it was, you know, if you, if you come in and you got a couple bucks, we're gonna take your case. Yeah. And we're gonna do it. And I, you know, and I did a lot of court appointed stuff too, and so it was just kind of, you deal with what you get thrown at you.

Yeah. You know, and, and I, you

Joe Woolworth: know, I,

Christopher R. Hicks: I love that.

Joe Woolworth: Mm-hmm.

Christopher R. Hicks: You know, I mean, everybody needs a lawyer. Everybody deserves mm-hmm. To have some representation. Whether you got a million dollars or you got $10, you know, you deserve to have [00:09:00] somebody there. And, you know, your case might be weird. Yeah. But let, let's go, you know?

Well, that's,

Jen Bordeaux: would, people would call in or, or you know, be like, well this is gonna sound crazy. I'm like, no, it's not. Try like now. No. Hold. Try me, let's go. No, no, it's not. Please. Like, I wanna have a Hold my dear moment. Mm-hmm. Let's go please. Let's go. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's so what do you do in, I know you were recently telling me without breaking any confidentiality of course, right?

About a consultation that at first you were like, oh, this isn't kind of like a typical, it seemed kind of mild for your usual caseload, and then you got further into the consultation and some new details came out and you're like, okay, here we are. Now, now, now it's a case. Let's go. So in the consultation in those scenarios, like how does.

Do you have like an attorney mind that just turns off and just like the, the other part like turns off like the, the more just human part, I guess to have, because you've gotta be able to have like your poker face. Right? True. And because true, [00:10:00] I, I as knowing you as, as a human being, you're also just so respectful and and open with people and welcoming, and non-judgmental.

And so to hear some of these stories that you do, is there a different Chris brain that, that clicks in at that point?

Christopher R. Hicks: A little bit. I mean, you, you, you know me, I'm really, you know,

but I don't, I don't even know how to say it. I, you know, I, I'm just very out there. You know, I, I, I will joke about anything. Sure. It doesn't matter, you know, but when you're with somebody and, and, and when you talk to a client about things like this, it's the most important thing in the world to them.

Right. And to me, like. I've seen it all. Like, you can tell me a story. I've had clients who have been literally on Jerry Springer. Like, I, I, I don't say, oh, it's a Jerry Springer case. Like, no, it's legit, legit, legit. I, yes, I've had clients on Jerry Springer, you know, those things, they're not gonna surprise me.

But what you [00:11:00] have to remember is that it's the most important thing in the world mm-hmm. To that person. Right. And, and, and, you know, I, that's how it is with everybody in life. You're like, you know, you, you go to a coffee shop and you talk to a barista and they're having a bad day, like, that's their day.

Right. And, you know, and that's how I feel with these people, you know, who come to me and like, you know, they, they've got this crazy story. I'm not gonna laugh and, and, and be like, oh, that's crazy. You know, because yeah. That's the most important thing at the time for them. So it's really, I think, kind of easy to turn off, you know, that

Jen Bordeaux: jokester kind of, yeah.

That jokester kind

Christopher R. Hicks: of thing, but. You know, once you leave,

Jen Bordeaux: that's a different story,

Christopher R. Hicks: you know, like, I'm gonna talk about it. But the, the, the, I mean, that's really how it is. Like you have to be, you know, you have to be mindful of who you're dealing with, and that's kind of a, a lesson for everybody. Mm-hmm.

In everyday life. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, dealing with anybody, you know, you, you, you don't, communic communication is not like [00:12:00] how I want to explain it to you. It's, I need to explain, you know, I need to communicate in a way that you're going to understand Comprehension is Exactly, so, such a big piece of communication.

And so, you know, when you deal with these people and they've got these horrible stories or they've got these hilarious stories, you know, to someone who's not living them right. You, you gotta kind of keep in mind that they're the one in the middle of it. So, you know, you just, you, you do the best you can to empathize and, and, you know, be in the moment with that person.

Right?

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. And, and to reassure them that they've. Come to the right place to address the things that as a family law attorney, you can, like, that's so much of when, when people come to you or in family law situations, period. But I mean like, fuck it. We're talking about new direction 'cause they're awesome.

Mm-hmm. That they're in one of the most painful places in their life and they're looking for confidence, they're looking for solutions and they're looking for the pain to go away. And while as attorneys, we, we, I'm not an attorney, you guys are at a new direction as a whole. And then I know [00:13:00] Deja and I as individuals, we are such big proponent proponents of mental health that, that, that's why it's like such a focus of like here as the attorney, like we're gonna break this down to the legal piece of it.

Right. And what, what needs to happen, what your options are, what the law allows for. But the law does not really allow for emotion. Mm-hmm. So we need to look at what other avenues we have to, to help you with that part of it as well.

Christopher R. Hicks: Right. And I think that's kind of what I can offer because of this experience I've had with.

Literally everything you can imagine in this realm is, you know, you can come to me, you can think you have the craziest story ever. And I can say, Hey, look, you know, this is not something I haven't seen before. Right, right. Let's just move forward. Yeah. You know, because like I said, I mean, I've had Jerry Springer cases Yeah.

Literally on Jerry, you know, like, oh yeah. You know,

DeJah Debon: just, no, there were people like, yeah, you can take these things

Christopher R. Hicks: and, and just, yeah. And you, you can come to me and you can say, oh, this is the craziest thing ever, and I can reassure you, hey, it's [00:14:00] not, it's not, it's not the worst thing. No. In the world. Let's go.

No, let's move. Even with the states

DeJah Debon: of some people, you know, they're like, they find something or they're worried about, oh, the house is hoarded. Like they feel emotion becomes attached and, and it's like, yeah, nah, listen, I've seen families torn apart by a single wooden spoon. Yeah, there, there's like, you know, like there's, yeah.

Stuff. Every, every situation is unique in the, the reassuring is such a big part. Not every firm offers that, you know, sometimes it's objective in

Christopher R. Hicks: those cases, you know, I always come back to, there's a, a very famous, like, family law picture, looks like a photograph of this couple on the floor in a courtroom, like sorting through their Beanie Babies.

Beanie Babies. Yep. I'm like, my God, like if we're gonna talk, you wanna talk about your retirement accounts? Like these people are sorting through the floor on their, you know, beanie Babies. Yeah. Come on.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Well, and I've told this is

Christopher R. Hicks: I can handle this. Right, right.

Jen Bordeaux: So I was a, my journey in family law began [00:15:00] as a paralegal, and it was a very short stint because bless the legal teams, thank God my mind has just not worked that way.

I, I love people not in a creepy way. And so I loved like talking to people and helping them find the right. Services they needed, whether it was a different area of law or mental health provider or who knows, whatever. But when I was a paralegal, I remember the first EDIA that, that I ever did, which was, is an equitable distribution inventory affidavit.

It's a mouthful. That's why we say EDIA, but it is basically the form, correct me if I'm wrong, attorney, that they're not wrong, goes through all the, the marital property and separate property, I suppose. Mm-hmm. And listing like values and all that kinda stuff Anyway. And the first one I ever did, the, the client put on their lettuce washer as something that they wanted as their own property.

And I was like. As a paralegal, my hourly rate, the time that it took me to read that line, you could have bought your own like lettuce washer. Yeah. But when you are, [00:16:00] that, that was

DeJah Debon: great. Great Grandma Myrtles lettuce. It has been passed down through generations and it

Joe Woolworth: shall remain. Everybody knows if you're about to be single, you need clean lettuce.

DeJah Debon: It's in the handbook.

Christopher R. Hicks: If it's not a cast iron pan from your great-great-great grandmother, don't put it on. Yes. That form.

Jen Bordeaux: No, it is. It's it. And, and I get it. Like, you know, from the professional experience and the personal experience, like whenever you're in that mode, logic is kind of gone. Right? Like your emotions take over, you're hurt, you're not everybody.

Right? Like some situations are amicable. We just. And think get a family law part's pretty sure there's still some hurt, even in an amicable

DeJah Debon: split, right? Yeah. And we,

Christopher R. Hicks: we just don't see them. Yeah. Right. In, in family law, we don't see them. No. And I tell people this all the time, like 98% of people figure this out on their own.

Joe Woolworth: Mm-hmm.

Christopher R. Hicks: You know, they don't come to [00:17:00] us. We see the worst of the worst, and then I have to take the worst of the worst, and I try to make 90% of those into something amicable. Mm-hmm. And a, you know, a, a separation agreement or a contract or something. Right. And then 10% of those become court cases. So you're, you're talking two, 3% of people who just cannot Yep.

Wrap their minds around figuring this out on their own, not paying attorneys thousands of thousands of dollars. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. People want their

Jen Bordeaux: day in court. Like they just Exactly. And, and

Christopher R. Hicks: that's the thing. And sometimes I just, I, I tell people, I tell opposing counsel, so. She just wants to be heard.

He just wants to be heard, like, you know, but, but it's a, it's a, it's a minority. It's a, a huge minority that, you know, most people just figure this out. Well, 'cause

DeJah Debon: most people cater or cave, I should say to the point of like, well it's gonna be very spendy. Yeah. If we just, it is keep battling

Christopher R. Hicks: over the lettuce washer.

Exactly. Like Jesus Christ. Well, well, yeah. Why [00:18:00] would you fight over a dish towel? And I tell people all the time, like, I bill it $400 an hour. Mm-hmm. Don't, don't fight about your dish towel. No. 'cause you buy 3000 dish towels. Yeah. Not to before. I'm done with this. Come on. Not to

Jen Bordeaux: mention that the property piece of it is.

If I under, if I remember correctly, when it comes to like, equitable distribution, so the, the part of figuring out the property, the marital property, one, it's one of the mo more expensive claims in, in the family law than like the main four, whatever. And you, you cannot ask for attorney's fees, none for ed,

Christopher R. Hicks: none whatsoever.

Jen Bordeaux: Again, equity distribution, not erectile dysfunction.

Christopher R. Hicks: You also can't ask for attorney's fees for erectile dysfunction. Mm-hmm. Same thing, but yeah. But is

Jen Bordeaux: it that, is that I shouldn't, shouldn't lead? Is that one of the things for an annulment?

Christopher R. Hicks: Look, I'm testing, I'm testing your legal knowledge now. Yes, [00:19:00] it's, yeah, yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Not to mean that you'll automatically get it if somebody can't get it up, but anyway, sorry, that just took a turn. Listen, key pieces, not a case of actually of

Christopher R. Hicks: knowledge. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: 15 years haven't done one of those cases.

Jen Bordeaux: We ha new direction. Has like, a couple of the attorneys have have done annul, that stuff, but that may be, but I'm not one

Christopher R. Hicks: of them.

Yeah,

Jen Bordeaux: that's, well that's 'cause you're doing all the other crazy stuff. That's

Christopher R. Hicks: true.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, it, it can go off the rails and like, emotions are hard. Mm-hmm. Feelings are hard. Really hard. And family law is such an emotionally driven area of, of law and understandably so. You know, a lot of times there's, there's like a leaning in and a leaning out spouse, like for the people that end up going to attorneys.

It's not a like, oh, we agree this should happen. We're better parents than we are. Yeah, spouses. And so, you know, feelings are high and if especially like the person that didn't want it, they just feel like they're owed sometimes so much. And I think one of the biggest things that I, gosh, years told people, like, some people sometimes struggle so hard with like the custody aspect.

[00:20:00] If there was an affair, like how many times have you had to tell a client like, I know this sucks and it hurts, but the fact that they were a shitty spouse doesn't make 'em a shitty parent. Like, this is not going to affect, and of course barring some sort of like significant other that's like doing drugs and whatever, you know, like it's not gonna affect custody.

Christopher R. Hicks: I mean, I mean, I've said hundreds of times, you know, unless, unless they're having this affair in front of the children. Right, right, right. Then it, then it is what it is. I mean, they could be the worst person, you know, worst spouse ever, like you said, doesn't make 'em the worst parent. Yep. I mean, frankly, I'm not always the best spouse.

My wife will tell you that right now.

Joe Woolworth: You know, let's call Warren. I'm joking. She, she's, she,

Christopher R. Hicks: you know, she's, you know, Hey, take out the, you know. Yeah. I mean, nobody is like, like, like, but you know, I'm a pretty good parent. Yeah. And, and that's how it is with everybody is it's, you know, there's a, a really big gap mm-hmm.

Between your marital relationship and [00:21:00] your parent child relationship. Sure. And that's how it always is with these cases. And, you know, unless I'm like telling the kid to lie about me seeing this other person, or I'm telling the kid to you know, like, go hide in your room so I can be with this other, like, it's not,

Jen Bordeaux: yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: It, it doesn't, it doesn't apply.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. They're

Christopher R. Hicks: not the same thing. You know, you can be, like you said, the worst spouse ever doesn't make you a bad parent. And I have to tell people that all the time. Yeah. And it's really hard to separate that. It feels like gamesmanship almost, you know? Mm-hmm. You know, if it, you know, I got this person being a bad person, so let's use it against them as a parent, and that's just not how it works.

Right. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It just doesn't work that way.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. It's not fun. Or it shouldn't work that way. Yeah. It

Christopher R. Hicks: shouldn't. No. Yeah. Well, shouldn't have worked that way. Shouldn't work that way. Yeah. Let me back up. You know? Yeah. Legally age children are puns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. It's [00:22:00] So what made you just, or what led you to get into family law?

You were just like, eh, I'll give this a go.

Christopher R. Hicks: That's a, that's a loaded question. So I started out, you know, I, I went to law school out in St. Louis, moved back to north. I'm from North Carolina, grew up Benson, Benson Rural,

Jen Bordeaux: Hey, my neighbor and nun rural. Yeah, yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: I decided to come back and I started working at a, a small.

Practice in Harnett County, North Carolina. Mm-hmm. We did whatever came in the door. Like I said, you know, you got 10 bucks, you got, you know, a, a heap of catfish, let's go, you know, I'll represent you knowing who

Jen Bordeaux: owned the firm. Like that tracks. Yeah, exactly.

Christopher R. Hicks: And so, you know, it was really kind of fell into it.

And then as time passed, I was there eight, nine years and was more of, you know, I had my daughter, my wife, we lived in Raleigh. My wife was practicing in Raleigh. My daughter's going to preschool, daycare, you know, [00:23:00] elementary school in Raleigh. And it's like, you know, you can't keep showing up at 10 o'clock at night, you know?

Yeah. And, and you know, and expect me to keep doing this. And so I had to make a move. And so family law was kind of where, you know, I was doing criminal defense. I was doing, I. Child, you know, child Protective Services cases. I was doing everything, but that was the one that was kind of like, there's an opportunity there.

And so I interviewed a couple firms and that's kind of how I fell at New Direction. Mm-hmm. And ended up there. And there were a couple other firms that I had accepted and then you said nevermind said no, nevermind. That's a long story. But yeah, it kind of fell into it, you know, with New Direction, you know, it was kind of made it my thing.

Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Now. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you did. 'cause obviously, well I can't definitively say we would've never met if you didn't, but because you did. A

Christopher R. Hicks: hundred percent.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. Yeah. Alright, well that's a lot like mm-hmm. [00:24:00] Divorce family law. Yeah. Like it's, yeah, it's. Heavy, but it's real. It affects a lot of people. It's why you're employed, so it does, yeah.

That's why I'm single. Same.

Christopher R. Hicks: Exactly. Yeah. De and I have known each other for a while. Yep. Yeah, if that means anything

Jen Bordeaux: dating after divorce, refer to previous episode. [00:25:00] . So struggling as a middle-aged white male, I'm a middle aged white male, struggling to be a, a middle aged white male, so expand on that please.

Christopher R. Hicks: I, I really think it's just kind of a, a product of the culture we have right now. Mm-hmm. I mean, as a middle aged white male right now, 2025, I should be excited. Right. Sure. You know, every, everything's set up for me but I just don't feel comfortable Yeah. Being a middle aged white male right now, because morally it just doesn't fit.

Yeah, with how I feel, you know, like I should be taking advantage of, you know, this tax loophole and you know, this, you know, stock trade and, and it just doesn't, it doesn't [00:26:00] match. I, I just don't feel comfortable, you know, I, I, I've struggled with my own parents who are in their seventies and their conservative, and they've always been conservative and, you know, I, I think about the way they voted in, in recent elections and I'm like, you know how, well, what's, well, it'll be obvious in a second, but like, you know, I mean, at some point you gotta vote for other people.

Right. You know, I, as a middle-aged white male, I feel like I'm, I'm pretty much set up right. You know, nothing, there's not a whole lot you can do. There's no

Jen Bordeaux: constitutional right you've ever had to fight for. Right, exactly.

Christopher R. Hicks: You can't do a whole lot to, you know, make me feel worse, you know? And so I, I kind of feel a responsibility to take care of other people, and it's hard to do.

Yeah. You know, I, I feel a little guilty from time, you know, from time to time. Like, you know, I, there are things that [00:27:00] I get that other people don't. Mm-hmm. And, you know, and I, and I struggle, you know, talking about my parents and, you know, their, their later years, you know, they, they, they should be thinking about voting for the future as opposed to voting for themselves.

Like

DeJah Debon: how about even just voting for yourself though? Well,

Christopher R. Hicks: yeah.

DeJah Debon: I mean, at this point we're at a point of like, you're voting against your own self-interest

Christopher R. Hicks: and, and, and, and, and that's, well, yeah. And I, and I just don't understand necessarily voting at all when it comes to that point. Like, I mean, do I vote for my own self-interest or am I voting for the country?

Am I voting for my. Fellow Americans. I, I don't really understand, and that's what I, my voting outta

DeJah Debon: fear.

Christopher R. Hicks: EE exactly. And I don't really understand as a middle aged white male, like, I don't know, I don't know that I can really vote against my interest doing anything at this point. Mm-hmm.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: You know, but I just, I feel morally obliged to, to vote in a way that helps others, you know, [00:28:00] because you can't really do a whole lot to me, you know, at this point.

Yeah. You know? Well,

DeJah Debon: it's also just, I mean, well, thank you for not being a victim. But Well, we can come back to that different Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, yeah. No, it's a, it's a interesting situation that we're in. Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: I mean, I've, I've, because of that, I've certainly heard that, like I have

DeJah Debon: so many I've got, because again, the estate firm with probate, I have so many widows and widowers and so many people that survive off Social security and Medicare, who are terrified, you know, and.

A couple of them were like, well, this current administration got in 'cause of your vote. Yeah. Yeah. And so, I dunno how to, I dunno how to have this conversation with you sweetie. 'cause you you did it,

Christopher R. Hicks: you did this. Yeah. And to your point, as I've heard this argument of like, well white males are the most, you know, persecuted group in the country.

Yes. And I'm like, re really you when you realize that [00:29:00] like equal rights for all does not mean fewer rights for you. Yeah. But that's even exist until the incel culture don't get Yeah. You don't get fewer rights because others are being equal. Like, that's just, you know, not being privileged.

DeJah Debon: Oh yeah. Isn't that a fun projection?

Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: Well, yeah. And as a middle aged white male, yes. It's tough hear. I don't know how to handle it.

DeJah Debon: I support your non victim hug. Thank you. You are

Christopher R. Hicks: appreciated. Thank you. I appreciate it because you, you know. People look at you like you have two heads when you say these things. Mm-hmm.

DeJah Debon: Well, and that's the, that's the other unfortunate thing deeply because there's so many of these inso loud ass talking heads that are white men, right?

Yeah. That are giving white men a bad name. Like literally just like, yeah. Yeah. Just any, any chance of like not having a stigma or a bias. Well, I'm sorry, but you're out there screaming and raging about like DER.

Christopher R. Hicks: No, my God. Go shut the gimme start. [00:30:00]

DeJah Debon: Do you even tell me what it stands? But do you, do you even know what the acronym is?

I don't think It doesn't, it doesn't,

Christopher R. Hicks: it doesn't matter. No, no,

DeJah Debon: no, no, no, no, no.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, that's well, and I can say, I mean, like I said, after working with you for many years, and the majority of us in, in, in our, in the team aligned very similarly when it came to. Social issues like this. Yeah. And you were the lone ranger male, still are the lone ranger male still.

Yeah. In, in the, in the office of all females. And you were our biggest champion. And I think that while I'm not here to like pat your ass in that, it's also very much appreciated because it's, it's few and far between just the upper, but the ub, just the

Christopher R. Hicks: ub, UB just Pepe. I mean, I, and I get that like, you know, it, it would be really easy just, just to be like, ah, champion, whatever you guys are, [00:31:00] are saying, you know, to keep, you know, the peace or whatever.

Yeah. Like to, you guys are off my back or whatever, but Yeah. But it's not been that way for me. You know, I, I grew up with a sister, you know, my, and, and, and my dad. You have a daughter? Well, and I have a daughter, but you know, my sister, you know, my mom, my dad was. He, he's a high school football basketball coach.

He's gone a lot. So like, you know, I grew up around my mom and my sister. You know, I, I've got a wife, I've got a daughter. That's my whole household is, you know, two females. Right. You know Arlo though? Oh, I do. I do have Arlo, but Arlo, the Bassett

Jen Bordeaux: Hound. Yeah. But he also

Christopher R. Hicks: just likes to nap and do his own thing.

Same. And then I go to work and it's what, 15 women and me. Yeah. You know, and so like, it's not as much, it would be easy to say like, it's. Oh, you're just like pandering to these women that you have to deal with always, but it's really kind of observing and understanding what is important. Mm-hmm. You know, to them,

DeJah Debon: we, we know when you're [00:32:00] disingenuous.

I worked for someone who, it was exactly that, that facade, that act was so sacra sick. Oh, it's, it's, it,

Christopher R. Hicks: it's, it's terrible. I'll tell you, I got a I Lexus Nexus. Mm-hmm. Yes. This is a legal research company for people who don't know. They sent a couple gifts to our office recently, and one of 'em was a little stress ball, and when you squeeze it, it says.

Just relax, take a breath, calm down. And I'm like, I'm not giving this to any woman in this office. Because if you've ever met a woman, do not tell her to calm down.

Jen Bordeaux: Do not tell her to

Christopher R. Hicks: calm down. Relax, don't do anything. Squeeze it again, it's in your head. No, no. That thing is, that thing's going in the trash.

It's just your hormones. Yeah. I'm not giving that to any woman that I've ever met. That's a death wish. No. Yeah. No. And it, and it's just a sense of like, you gotta be around, you know, you know, you have to be around females, you have to understand the shit they've dealt with. Yeah. So tell like, and constantly the [00:33:00] dating world, somebody who doesn't work, oh God, work with women or around women.

Oh, oh my God. Or

DeJah Debon: who is sur you can immediately tell a man that's surrounded by other toxic men and the talking points, like, you know, the, it's, it's just, oh my God. So easy to identify. Yeah. I don't, I don't, it's like bros. Listen, y'all saying I'm Chad and

Jen Bordeaux: Brads Yes.

Christopher R. Hicks: 41 years old. I hope I don't ever have to get out on that.

Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: God bless me there. Jesus. For you. I hope that for you obviously. Thank you. Yeah. That ship sail for me. You're all there. But yeah, that's well I feel like I should be like, thank you for your service. I know,

DeJah Debon: right? Thank you. I would like to thank Chris and Joe for being decent white men.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, thank you.

I mean,

Joe Woolworth: there's two of us. You're holding it down.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. And all offer my brother in there and Jeremy is very much Well, I was talking in this room, in this room, in this room. Yeah. And it's, but, but the thing is, is like we're able to. S single them out because there's not a plethora.

Christopher R. Hicks: Yeah. You know, it's the, the fact that you can single it out

DeJah Debon: [00:34:00] is wild, actually by name and nearly middle names as well.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just out here swimming in a sea of Chads, CHADS and Brad, a good friend named Chad. So you, we'll bring him on

Christopher R. Hicks: next.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah, yeah. Right, right, right.

Christopher R. Hicks: I'll be right here. Time to be named. I'll question Chad.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. It's yeah, in line with that, 'cause you mentioned we're gonna, this is beautifully segued since you just mentioned your age.

And we talked about only the good day, young, earlier. I'll hope you die though. That's not what I was trying to say. No, I'm I'll not. I hope you reincarnated early. When asked what you would like to ramble about. You said getting older, I can't keep up with current events, music, tv, movies, fashion trends, slang, et cetera.

But I'm also not sure I want to, A lot of things make me grumpy. Same, and I have opinions about things I never thought I would care about. Yeah. It, I, that's gonna be my new dating bio. Okay. Because it's, it's exhausting. Like it [00:35:00] really is. I think the, with the advent of social media and our nat attention culture, it would, like, we're always, it's constantly the same thing.

Mm-hmm. And I, I think that was one of the things that, in my role that I had with the firm, that started to make me evolve into wanting to do something else because social media was a part of that role, and I was just so burnt out on it. Like, I didn't care what the next trendy thing was. I, for damn sure didn't wanna do TikTok.

Like, but that whole, it's exhausting. And why? For like, for why? Yeah. I

DeJah Debon: don't

Jen Bordeaux: know. I know Deja Bless is not on any social media, so

DeJah Debon: I made that decision a long time ago because of my mental health and because of my personality. Well, I would, I would imagine if I Deja would be in prison right now, if she had

Joe Woolworth: social media.

Oh, if I was a

DeJah Debon: keyboard warrior man. Oh, oh. There would just be heads on stakes.

Christopher R. Hicks: I, I'll be honest, I had, I had to get off of Nextdoor.

DeJah Debon: Oh, so a couple months ago. Same. I getting angry. I,

Christopher R. Hicks: I could not control myself on nextdoor. Same, same. So really all I have now is [00:36:00] Instagram. But really, you know what, what really drives me crazy, you know, grinds my what?

Family guy. Lemme get my Peter Griffin up here. It is, you know, just getting older and I'm just like, I, I, you know, I was a film major in college. I was just absorbing. Were you really? Yeah.

DeJah Debon: That's cool. I did not know that.

Christopher R. Hicks: I did. I had. I, I double majored in college. I had political science and I did communications, but it was film and communi, you know, cut film and communication studies.

Did

Jen Bordeaux: you wanna work for channel one for high schools?

Christopher R. Hicks: Oh, well, I interned at G 1 0 5.

Jen Bordeaux: Woo. So,

Joe Woolworth: celebrity status,

Christopher R. Hicks: but, but no, but I was just like absorbing films and music and tv and now it's like, no time to, I haven't been to a non Disney film in the last, like, oh yeah, daddy. Nine years. Yeah. I haven't listened to new music.

I, I, I literally have a cutoff point of like oh nine. [00:37:00] Like, I haven't listened to anything new. Tv I just, I just watched the office over and over.

Joe Woolworth: You're safe spaces. And as I'm getting

Christopher R. Hicks: older, I just, I like, I can't understand, I can't keep up and I don't really know whether I want to. Yeah. You know, like this slang, you know, I hear this.

I don't know, sc toilet higher. Oh my God. Whatever. And I just, you know, my kid comes home and, and she's at that age now, and I've noticed this where, you know, like, you know, high school kids will come home. Mm-hmm. And they have like the newest slang, but then it's like, I, I experienced upper constant upper, upper middle school kids will be like a couple months behind and then, you know, lower middle school kids will be a couple behind, you know, months behind that.

And my kid will say a couple things. I'm like, yeah, I heard somebody mention that a couple months ago, but like, I don't, I don't care to catch up. No. And my, my boys love to

DeJah Debon: be like, so if you, you, you know what this is. Have you heard this? I'm like, it's not in the goddamn damn dictionary. It's, what are you talking about?

It's really not. How would I [00:38:00] know that Merriam Webster says someone just made

Jen Bordeaux: it up. Let's go. If I were to go to Urban dictionary.com, it's not real. Oh yes. Well, urban Dictionary

Christopher R. Hicks: is a different story. If your kids are on Urban Dictionary, that's a different issue. But like, you know, I just. I can't keep up.

I don't know if I want to keep up. I just, you know. Yeah. Like I'm a film major and I, I haven't seen a, you know, like a best picture dominee in, in 10 years.

Jen Bordeaux: Well, I think that, you know, you saying that makes me think of a few ago, episodes ago and we had Chris Hendricks on the musician and he was talking the first musicians Don't wanna plug that in the studio.

Yeah. I've seen Chris in,

Christopher R. Hicks: in, in, in, in Live things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In real life. I see him live. IRLI, speaking of slang, I-L-I-R-L. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: And he talked about the value of music. Was lost overnight when streaming became a thing. Completely. And I think while I love being able to binge a show on [00:39:00] Netflix or whatever it, it is like we, you miss, so some, some shows and some platforms still will do like a release and episode a week thing, right?

And I think people, I was watching a an interview I think on Jamie Fallon recently that on Instagram, 'cause I don't actually watch the show anymore, but it's up

Christopher R. Hicks: on too late. Yeah, right. Yeah,

Jen Bordeaux: yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but she was talking about how she'll people, this actress will run into people on the street and they'll like, oh, you're that actress from blah blah.

And she's like, yeah. And they will start telling her theories that they have about the show and she loves it because they're not able to binge it and find out. Yeah. Okay. And I think that that is part of the same thing of Chris likened it, Chris Hendricks likened it to turning on a faucet and just being able to like, just all of it.

Bum rush all of this, this music. Yeah. And I think TV and, and movies and stuff like that now with the streaming situation are a bit the same way. Yeah. But you still relate like, like wait for like release dates in the same way you do with like artist music and stuff. But it's, it's, yes. Right. It's the

DeJah Debon: loss of the [00:40:00] anticipation and Inc.

Excitement, like, yeah. Yeah. I

Christopher R. Hicks: mean, I think that's part of it. You know, when. The three of us. Yeah. Were kids. And you know, Joe, you're in there

Jen Bordeaux: too and Joe too. You know, like

Christopher R. Hicks: a movie comes out, you're waiting for Friday night, right. You're going to the movie in the theater. We're all talking about it. Like an album's coming out.

You're waiting for Tuesday when that album comes out. Mm-hmm. You know, to, to go and get it. I'm going to Sam goody Exactly. To get it. Yes. For those of you who don't know Sam Goodies you know, like Yeah. You know, you're waiting, you're anticipating this thing coming out, and then it's all of a sudden, you know, the, the current status is, you know, all of a sudden 12 episodes of this episode are instant, instant gratification.

They're all out and, you know, and you're just watching 'em all whenever you want to. And that's really weird. And that obviously, I think, you know, studios are struggling with this now too. Yeah. You know, like, you know, regular broadcast studios. Mm-hmm. But, you know, getting, talking about getting older, I don't know how to deal with it.

Like I can't keep [00:41:00] up with anything because it's all just. Right there. Yeah. Like, it just, I can't keep up the

Jen Bordeaux: exposure and it it, for me, speaking specifically of TV shows, like there's some that I've been, I guess, late to the game, right? Mm-hmm. In starting to watch. And there was one that my brother and so, so were trying to get me on.

It was Supernatural and I started watching it, and, and the show is done now, but there are like 15, 16 seasons that shows like

Christopher R. Hicks: 30 years old now. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: And this was off of Yeah. CW days. In those days, like you had 20 something episodes per season. Now you've got like eight, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yep. But I, I got like.

I was, because I could binge it. I, I was over it. Like I didn't make it. I think I made it to maybe like season eight. 'cause I was like, this all seems like the same thing over and over again. Yes. But when you're watching it live, like when you're waiting and then you've got like the fall break. Right. And you've gotta wait weeks for the next episode.

The cliffhangers, there's so much more that investment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so now, but, and so with Outlander, who, which several episodes ago we talked about, I'm all [00:42:00] caught up Uhhuh. So I'm waiting for the release of the last season and like I miss it. Yeah. I'm, so, I'm like, when does the next season come out?

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well that's

Christopher R. Hicks: how you would be, you know. Well, no, that's years ago. I, I like do that with

DeJah Debon: some shows with Hulu. Does that, yeah. There's a couple shows that I watch on Hulu and Prime too, that like. I gotta wait till Tuesday. Yep. Yeah. And I'm like, my popcorn on Tuesday night, Daredevil,

Joe Woolworth: I'm

Jen Bordeaux: currently

DeJah Debon: doing that with

Jen Bordeaux: Daredevil born Again or Reborn, whatever the hell it is on Disney Plus episodes are every Tuesday night and I'm waiting.

Mm-hmm. You know what? Still maybe does. I'm one back.

Joe Woolworth: Yes. I'm doing that too. Yes. One welcome,

Jen Bordeaux: welcome back. Oh, same. I, because I didn't watch this week. But books still do that, right? Yeah. Yes. Books. You're like, make you, 'cause I'm doing the corn. I don't read books. Court of him. I don't words.

Christopher R. Hicks: It's just so many words because like,

Jen Bordeaux: I need pictures.

But yeah, I think books still have a bit of that. Right. And it's understandable like artists or the authors aren't Yeah. They can't pump [00:43:00] out five books at one time. You know? I guess they could, but like mm-hmm.

Christopher R. Hicks: Well, Stephen King Yeah. Could, well, right. He could No, no books. I, I love to read. I don't do it as much as I should.

Right. My wife just, and, you know, voracious reader. Red words she reads constantly. Oh yeah, no, good point. Yeah, I saw a joke the other day. I was like, you know, my wife and I like to role play. We she, she role plays you know, librarian who loves to read, and I sit quietly in the room, in the, in the corner while she reads a book.

She, yeah. That's what we do. She

DeJah Debon: periodically shushes you. Yes.

Christopher R. Hicks: Yeah. No. No. My wife, my daughter, just voracious readers and I, I read a book when we were on vacation last week. Good job. I did. Well, I'm proud of you. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. I need to do better about it. But yeah, you're right. Books, you know, authors are just constantly like trying to get stuff out there because they need, you know Right.

Revenue stream for one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but pretty saturated market

DeJah Debon: for about everything, but it

Christopher R. Hicks: seems like mm-hmm. You know, publishers are doing a better [00:44:00] job of like. Especially with like audio books and stuff, like, you know, we're gonna put this out this time and this time and this time. Whereas, and you're, wait, it's like, wait, damn it.

Yeah. Yeah. As opposed to like, you know, streaming services. Right. The dump, which are just like constant because there's 4,000 of them.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah, yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: You know, like, why don't I have cable anymore? Because I have 19 streaming services. You're paying more

Jen Bordeaux: now for all of your streaming services. I'm paying

Christopher R. Hicks: 400 bucks a month for streaming services.

Jen Bordeaux: Might as well just, you don't even

Christopher R. Hicks: realize cable. Yeah. Like it's wild.

Jen Bordeaux: I also think just thinking about like books and like the appreciation of that. I think there's still such a market for the tangible book. Like even though there's e version and like a Kindle version, I know like when you travel, you'd like to have the e version for Yeah.

Like packing sake, like saving space and stuff. But otherwise, like at home, like I love to have the tangible book and to flip the page and, you know, to see my progress smell of the page.

DeJah Debon: I want, I want a library book. I want [00:45:00] use library. Little musty dusty in there. Mm. Oh man. Maybe we have a new fetish guys. I don't know. But speaking of periodicals, I'll take this one off. Yeah. Page turning. Yes.

Jen Bordeaux: But it like, I feel like that is still there, but I mean, like nobody's setting up a fucking old school movie film to project onto the wall, you know what I mean?

Like Alamo baby Alamo. Yeah. I go and I take, can tell. Yeah. Oh man. I do love amo. Mm-hmm. Is it still true film?

Christopher R. Hicks: Well, so I've never, they're they're doing digital, I think for the, like newer Yeah. You know, new releases. But if you go to Alamo like a Tuesday, oh Wednesday, like you're, you're getting like an old school kunk flu film.

I went

DeJah Debon: and watched it, set it off, go to airplane, go see Golden Child.

Christopher R. Hicks: Oh, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go watch like seven Samurai. Yeah, man, it's random. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. I went. High outta my skull to watch Get it off on a Tuesday night. Holy nice. For $5. Jesus Christ. Oh man. It was so good.

Joe Woolworth: That's a good one. That's a good one to go.

So

Jen Bordeaux: good. Yeah.

Joe Woolworth: I wonder if what we miss about [00:46:00] that stuff is there used to be like a community around it. Like, don't talk about my show.

Jen Bordeaux: Mm-hmm.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah. Right. Until we don't spoil it. Mm-hmm. Because there was, that was the water cooler talk. Like remember Game of Thrones? Mm-hmm. Everybody was just Don't talk about it.

Yeah. No spoilers.

DeJah Debon: Yeah. 'cause you had to wait for it to be released. Everybody was waiting

Christopher R. Hicks: was another one. Like, you can't talk about Walking Dead. There'd be like

Joe Woolworth: lunch meetings where people would be like, all right, this is where we're talking about it. Tuesday we're gonna talk about it. But I think the problem is there's so much stuff now and you spend like six hours trying to compare notes with somebody.

So you got TV to talk about, you watch this, you watch. Mm-hmm. You watch that. You watch this show, you watch this. Yes. Then you finally find something you're like. Was it good? I don't know. I watched it like a year ago and I watched this straight through and I don't remember anything. Right,

Jen Bordeaux: right. Well, that's how, like me and I feel like I'm only one person and there's so much shit to watch.

There's only so much time. And like, I'll talk to my brother and sister-in-law and they like, that is one of their love languages is like watching a show or a movie or, and like, talk and they'll ask me like, oh, have you seen this? Or, Hey, you should watch this. I'm like, it's like I wanna watch it all. [00:47:00] But it also then gets overwhelming.

I'm like, there's too much. There's just, there's too much. Like I can't, I love that

Christopher R. Hicks: for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's their lovely. My wife and, and, and my love language is who did the dishes?

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: It's like dishwasher. The dishwasher. Oh, that was you. Okay. Thank you. But I know that you

Jen Bordeaux: have a thing about the dishwasher because Yeah.

I

Christopher R. Hicks: only unload the dishwasher. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Chris and I had a thing at the firm, not a thing like that, that don't, don't take that the wrong way. It's a weird thing

Christopher R. Hicks: if that's the thing.

Jen Bordeaux: They had a

DeJah Debon: dish thing,

Jen Bordeaux: there was a dishwasher. It's a weird

DeJah Debon: one

Jen Bordeaux: at the firm and. So many times I was like, who taught you guys how to load a dishwasher?

And Chris would come in all the time and like just play Tetris and fix it. And it was just a whole point of contention in the firm. It probably still is, especially since certainly I was one of the main ones emptying it and certainly is. Yeah. And that's one of my least favorite choice. So the fact that I had to do it at work all the time because nobody else, except for like Ava would do it.

Mm-hmm. Oh man. Clearly I still feel some kind of way about

Christopher R. Hicks: it. Poor Ava. She's like still on duty. [00:48:00] Yeah.

DeJah Debon: Oh man. Yeah. I've seen like pictures where people like the weaponized incompetence where they just take a picture of the. Loaded dishwasher. Mm-hmm. And I, I feel physical rage. I, I feel physical rage because I'm like, you intentionally fucked that shit up just so somebody else had to come back and work behind you.

We could

Christopher R. Hicks: get like eight loads more dishes in here. No, don't do this.

Jen Bordeaux: Or like, rinse your shit out before you put it in there too. And there were times I would go into beauty, oh, that pisses me off there chunks in the

DeJah Debon: bottom of the dishwasher

Jen Bordeaux: of being single and like, so I only, I'm only accountable to myself, so I know who loads and empties the dishwasher because it's just you.

So, but at work, like I would literally send videos to the inner office chat of like, there was a dish in the sink and like so much room in the dishwasher. And I would be like, in case someone needs was, needs to

DeJah Debon: know dump. Dun Dun. No. Dun dun. One dish. No, no.

Jen Bordeaux: I was just such a smart ass about it. I was like, in case somebody needs a tutorial.

Mm-hmm. And I put the camera towards the [00:49:00] sink. I picked up the dish, opened the dishwasher, put it in and closed the dishwasher. And I was just like, this is like, how do you guys live? How do you how

DeJah Debon: with other people doing things for them. Fair. Hmm.

Christopher R. Hicks: Yeah. Well, clearly. Yeah. Ugh. Ugh. Incites

Joe Woolworth: rage in me. Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: And poor Ava, you know, Ava's pregnant now. Yeah. Heard So like I to do everything for her now. 'cause she's just this pitiful little pregnant lady.

DeJah Debon: Oh, I had the most precious, that's not true. Don'ts said, don't tell her I said this. This woman was like half sitting checking me out at the grocery store today.

Like, and then I was like. Honey, let me, let me just, so I like climbed behind and I just started like lifting because I had gotten like cases of, you know, drinks and stuff like that. Yeah. But man, I mean, I was like, oh, you can barely move. You just sit down. Yeah. I'll check myself. Take, take care of yourself.

Yeah.

Christopher R. Hicks: This poor, poor Ava, she was, you know, she was talking to me a couple weeks ag or a week [00:50:00] ago, two weeks ago, and she's like, oh, by the way, I'm pregnant. I'm like, yeah, I've known. And she's like, how did you know? I said because you came out of your office and you did this. And she did the thing where like, like

Jen Bordeaux: the, the hands on the belly, the like on top of the belly.

I'm like,

Christopher R. Hicks: she's like, that was three weeks pregnant. Then I was like, yeah, I don't know. Like I knew it. I'd be propp it

DeJah Debon: up. Like, yeah. He didn't surprise me. I

Christopher R. Hicks: I'm been there, you know? That's funny. It didn't surprise me.

DeJah Debon: Yeah, that's, well, you have been eating three jars of pickles a day.

Christopher R. Hicks: She was like, don't you dare say I don't you dare say I got fat.

I was like, well, I wouldn't say that. No,

Jen Bordeaux: never. Never. No. That's a quick way too grave. I'm not stupid. Yeah. Speaking of pickles my, this is, this is timely. Mm-hmm. My, so my sister-in-law love her dearly. Shout out Eunice. She uh, unes as I call her. She is allergic to vinegar, so like she's really, she's terribly allergic to it.

Damn. And so my brother, [00:51:00] he loves Dough pickles. But they, and they've been married for like 15, 16 years-ish, something like that. And she

Christopher R. Hicks: can't eat pickles because she's allergic tocause. He,

Jen Bordeaux: she can't kiss him. She can't kiss him if he eats pickles. It's on his like lips still. Okay. No, but he, listen, they're, they're still like newlyweds 15 years later, whatever it is.

They're so, it's the most adorable thing and goals. But they, so anyway, so she is been outta town this week at a conference and so he has gone in

DeJah Debon: ham on the pickles. Yes. Jeremy, you

Joe Woolworth: get them crunch. Get that crunch on.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Like he sent me a picture of the jar. He's been so excited. He's just like hitting

Joe Woolworth: Mount Olive for the week,

Jen Bordeaux: like puts up a cot.

Cozy that, yeah. So, so anyway, so he's just like, I got a picture of the jar of pickles and he is been, and I was like, listen, you enjoy those pickles. And I was like, and I know that you're gonna drink some of that pickle juice, like you are just gonna, oh, oh my god. I wanted to be like, chase it with a shot of whiskey.

You got a pickle back shot. [00:52:00] That's amazing. Let's go. And they sound terrible, but they're delicious. Like pickle back shot. Yes. Oh, I love a pickle. Pickle back shot. That's great. Pickle back to tequila.

Christopher R. Hicks: Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. Te about the tequila part, I do whiskey, but yeah, I'll do a bourbon and a pickle back.

Mm-hmm. Right behind it. Yeah. I've always wanted to try

DeJah Debon: it because they, they just wipe out the flavor. Like, did you guys

Joe Woolworth: see Matthew McConaughey, he's got a tequila brand, and he dumps out the pickle juice and then fills it up with tequila and sets it in the fridge for a couple days. Yeah, that

Christopher R. Hicks: sounds right.

It sounds cool. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Huh? Yeah, I don't know that one. Mm-hmm. There's a bar in, there's a bar in Chapel Hill called Goodfellas. That does shout out Good fellas.

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Joe Woolworth: time.

Christopher R. Hicks: Yeah. Right. That they have like pickle backs all the time. Yes. And so, I mean, I'm talking, I was doing those there 20 years ago, but they're still doing it.

Oh my god. Social media now I'm just craving

DeJah Debon: a baby midget deal. Just a crunchy that sounds sexual. Baby bitch.

Christopher R. Hicks: Really? Just a really just little. Tell me more about that. Deja, I think they're called [00:53:00] delicious. Little bit. Little dill. Little

Jen Bordeaux: dill.

Joe Woolworth: Can't

Jen Bordeaux: say, you know what, you know, I like him.

Christopher R. Hicks: Little, little dill.

You ever met a middle aged white guy?

Jen Bordeaux: Little dill. Little dill. Oh goodness. That's your next tattoo, Chris.

Christopher R. Hicks: Little dill or middle aged white guy.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Yes,

Christopher R. Hicks: yes.

Jen Bordeaux: Oh goodness.

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