Ramblings of a Restless Mind

Jen Bordeaux: [00:00:00] Props to you parents out there in the elf on the shelf, because first of all, the creativity and if you're gonna do it for more than one year, oh,

Joe Woolworth: people go big.

Jen Bordeaux: Mm-Hmm. They go real big.

Joe Woolworth: I see those

Jen Bordeaux: things and I'm like, oh, the kudos. That is impressive.

Joe Woolworth: I did one to my daughter and I heard her laugh like [00:00:15] from the other side of the house. I, I read a handwritten note on a little piece of toilet paper and it says, I used your toothbrush on my butt. And he was, he was straddling her toothbrush. [00:00:30] [00:00:45]

Jen Bordeaux: Hey, [00:01:00] hey, hey, mighty Ramblers. I feel a little bit like Fat Albert.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Jen Bordeaux: Welcome to our first official episode. You heard the trailer. We hope you heard what you like. If you're here, I guess you, you liked a little [00:01:15] bit of it at least. So thank you so much for joining us, or you know,

Joe Woolworth: us.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah.

Joe Woolworth: True.

Or you fell asleep.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, correct. Also true, we're still playing, which we still, we still get the stats for that. So thank you. Keep sleeping sweet dreams. Hi guys. I am Jen Bordeaux, one of the Ramblers here on Ramblings of a [00:01:30] Restless Mind, and I am joined as always by my wonderful co-host. Deja welcome, deja.

DeJah Debon: It's Bon Deja, Deon

Jen Bordeaux: oh oh seven. If you're feeling nasty. [00:01:45]

DeJah Debon: Haven't yet.

Jen Bordeaux: Thank you guys so much for tuning in. We're just getting started on this journey and we're so happy that hopefully you're joining us for the long haul. And if not, I mean, I don't know. Good luck with life. I dunno what to. Because we think we're fine.

Welcome back. Go away. [00:02:00] Yeah. Yeah. So this, as we mentioned in the opener, is just a space for all thoughts, every thoughts, the every thoughts. It's proper English. My mom would be so proud. Big, small, little. You're welcome Joe. Really [00:02:15] deep, very lighthearted. Philosophical, political, whatever it is, we are here to talk about it.

The things that keep you up at night that cause you to daydream or I don't know, when you random curse in your car. Yes. All of the things the people that you think about when you listen to songs or [00:02:30] the experiences you have. All of it. All of it. We're here to ramble about and I think I'm using ev using this as my personal journal instead of actually having to write Now that I think about it,

DeJah Debon: whatever helps.

But

Jen Bordeaux: yeah, I maybe my therapist would be proud. I don't [00:02:45] know. You know, I'm, my goal is to get her on here, to be honest. Oh, yeah. And I, I think she's down as long as I set the boundaries, which she's teaching me to do, so

DeJah Debon: I should ask my therapist. Hey. Hey girl. We're

Jen Bordeaux: multi

DeJah Debon: therapist

Jen Bordeaux: shows. Come on down. Yeah.

Joe, you got a therapist? You [00:03:00] wanna be on the break on down?

Not currently.

Jen Bordeaux: You just wait. You just wait. All right guys, so this episode's coming out mid-December. We're recording it late November. So time travel.

Happy [00:03:15] Thanksgiving.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Happy. We hope you had a good Thanksgiving, whether you were with loved ones spending it by yourself.

We hope the company was good. Yeah. And the food was great. Whether it was Chinese or Turkey. We hope you loved it. Hell yeah.

Joe Woolworth: And you kept your mouth shut about politics. Amen.

Jen Bordeaux: And [00:03:30] we know unless you were talking to your dog. Maybe just express yourself. I don't know. I don't wanna

DeJah Debon: stress my dog out like that.

Jen Bordeaux: Fair enough. I love my

DeJah Debon: dogs. Yes.

Jen Bordeaux: Your Velcro dogs. I do have Velcro dogs. Yes. So yeah, we're, we're coming up on the holidays, which, listen, good, [00:03:45] bad, indifferent. We associate all of the feels with the holidays. I work in the family law industry, which just. If you're newly separated, it's your first holiday season as a single or divorced or separated parent, or [00:04:00] just a significant other man.

It can be tough. If you know those people in your life or if you are one of those people in your life, I'm thinking about you. My heart goes out to you. I was there several years ago. Not to put Deja on Blast, but she was there at one point too. Yep. Joe, I hope we never get there. Yep. But it can be a little tough.

So if you have those people in your [00:04:15] life reach out and say hi. Check on those people. And I work in

DeJah Debon: the probate and state administration. Profession where people have lost a loved one and are coming up on the holidays. Yep. And so there is an enormous amount of transition that happens. You know? And [00:04:30] if you're not in those two subsets Right, it's your joyful holiday.

The holidays can be not. So, yeah. I mean, and even if, and it can be hard to, to project that. When you're not [00:04:45] feeling it.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, I mean, I will say that was a beautiful segue into our sponsor of the podcast, which is, which is State Estate Solutions and Teaser, because the next episode that we'll publish.

Features our very first guest. Yes. And De Jo's business partner, Kara [00:05:00] Williams. And I'm gonna be honest, it's an episode you don't wanna miss. So stay tuned for that. Listen, listen to whenever that gets published on New Year's Eve. So happy New Year's to you guys for that. That's what we're bringing into the type of energy we're bringing into 2025.

If you want a good laugh when you ring [00:05:15] the new

DeJah Debon: year. We had a great laugh. Come join us.

Jen Bordeaux: But also with the holidays, even if you're not facing a huge life transition, whatever your, your history was with the holidays, your familial experiences with the holidays, it, it can be a good [00:05:30] trigger, a bad trigger, nostalgic, and a good or or positive way.

So the question that I would like to ask of the audience, whether you're sitting in your car or your office or I don't know, the toilet as well as here in the studio, is, what is your [00:05:45] biggest memory? I don't wanna say fondest or worst, just biggest memory that sticks out to you from the holidays. And I guess we'll go with because we've already passed Thanksgiving, but if it's Thanksgiving, if it's something Thanksgiving related, then absolutely.

Feel free to free to share. [00:06:00] If you guys need some time to think, I'm, I'm happy to, I have one that's popping in so I can go first if, unless you guys have it.

DeJah Debon: Oh, sure. No, I'll, I'll tag

Jen Bordeaux: in after. Okay. So I had this was when my parents, my biological parents out live in family [00:06:15] law. My biological parents were still together.

And my dad had taken, obviously later I came to find out. That my dad took his boots and he dipped them in the ash of the fireplace, and he made the prints on the fireplace. [00:06:30] So obviously that meant to me that Santo was

DeJah Debon: real,

Jen Bordeaux: undoubtedly real. So fast.

DeJah Debon: Evidentiary support.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes, I had proof. Okay. Undeniable proof.

And so then fast forward to a couple [00:06:45] years later, and my brother's about three years older than me, and so they chose to tell us at the same time that that, hmm. I hope little kids aren't listening. If little kids are listening, they

DeJah Debon: shouldn't be listening. I curse listening. I curse like a sailor. Yes.

Joe Woolworth: It's rated explicit.[00:07:00]

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. And also, I'm just gonna pause to give parents whose children might be listening the chance to stop this. So pause. Awkward silence. Okay. So they chose to tell me and my brother at the same time that [00:07:15] the magic of Christmas was. Not solely in Santa. How, how old were you? Gosh. I mean, it was before they split, so I had to be five, six.

Mm I mean, pretty young to be honest. So my brother that made my brother like early. Yeah. Well they knew that my bro, my brother and I have always been [00:07:30] so close, so they knew that once he knew I was gonna know. Right. So they didn't wanna come.

Joe Woolworth: He was one of those kind of brothers. Oh yeah. No. Yeah, they're tight.

Guess what I learned? Yes.

Jen Bordeaux: And so, and they didn't want it to come from him. Mm-Hmm. They wanted me to hear it from them and I argued. I should have known that I was gonna go into [00:07:45] the legal industry because I argued once they told me, yeah, the reality, I said, no, you are wrong, because I saw those boot prints on the fireplace and that motherfucker was there.[00:08:00]

Okay? They were on the brick. There were steps on the brick into the fireplace and like on the chimney wall that like went up. He was a

DeJah Debon: size nine and a half. He had a slight limp on the right.

Jen Bordeaux: I measured. One, Brit was one. One. Little print was scuffed a little more than the [00:08:15] other. Anyway, so I argued for a while.

I finally conceded, and here we are today. Clearly I have more to talk about in therapy, but that is very memorable for me because I appreciate the level of convincing. That my parents put into [00:08:30] the magic of Christmas and all that Santa can bring to the level that it made me argue with them at five or six years old.

Joe Woolworth: I think all parents wanna protect that as long as they can with their kids. But Elf on the shelf. Oh, that [00:08:45] little piece of crap idea, if anything is you rooting bitch. If anything is you rooting against your kids, staying kids longer. You're like, I don't know what to do with that frigging health tomorrow.

And then if you forget,

Jen Bordeaux: like Christmas died, [00:09:00] I, I mean, listen and. Props to you parents out there in the elf on the shelf, because first of all, the creativity and if you're gonna do it for more than one year, oh,

Joe Woolworth: people go big.

Jen Bordeaux: Mm-Hmm. They go real big.

Joe Woolworth: I see those

Jen Bordeaux: things and I'm like, oh, the kudos. That is impressive.

Joe Woolworth: [00:09:15] I did one to my daughter and I heard her laugh like from the other side of the house. I, I read a handwritten note on a little piece of toilet paper and it says, I used your toothbrush on my butt. And he was, he was straddling her toothbrush.

Jen Bordeaux: That's awesome. Yeah, but the creativity for [00:09:30] that, and I mean, and, and I do, I love to keep the magic alive.

My nephew turned 14 years old this year and just a couple years ago he, he and his, my brother and sister-in-Law had the conversation with him and he's so kind hearted and I'd never want him to lose that. He actually got [00:09:45] emotional 'cause he was like, oh, I've known for a while, but I wanted to still believe because I wanted you guys to keep on having the fun with it and is so precious, so genuine.

And I a good boy and I'm just like, oh, we need more souls like that in this world. He's

Joe Woolworth: I get the game we're playing. You're being nice. I'll be nice. [00:10:00]

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. But yeah, but I see all the things on social media 'cause I mean, is it real if you didn't post it on social media about anything really that's real for the shelf, find the shelf.

Yeah.

Joe Woolworth: That's what ruined it. It was a great idea. And then social frigging media.

DeJah Debon: Yep. And this is why I don't engage in any social media. Nobody ruined shit for me. [00:10:15]

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, y'all right? Yeah. No. So I created the Instagram page for our podcast. Go follow it. At ramblings of a Restless Mind pod. And Deisha was like, oh my God, I can be found.

It was her first reaction, not oh, cool buddy. You know, it was. Oh my god, I can be found. [00:10:30] So there's that. Please don't go stalker. The podcast might be canceled. I have

DeJah Debon: large German shepherds. Yes. And guns

Jen Bordeaux: can confirm. So, okay, what about you, Joe? So is Elf on the shelf the thing that sticks out for you and you're

Joe Woolworth: No.

Okay. So you're saying like, big Christmas [00:10:45] memory. I grew up in rural Michigan. And poor. We lived in a trailer and I, my sister is a year and a half older than me and Christmas. Everything. It was eighties Christmas, right? I was born in 81, so I'm talking, I'm like [00:11:00] five, six years old. You're like mid to late eighties when everything is cool.

Yes. And if you wanted to have Christmas, this was the time to have Christmas and but we really didn't go big on Christmas 'cause we didn't have a lot of money. And for some reason my parents, I don't know, went into [00:11:15] debt or whatever, but. We got up that Christmas morning and not only did we have a huge Christmas, but there was like toy boxes to contain all the toys that we got.

And I got Moss Man from He-Man, the TV show. Oh

yes.

Joe Woolworth: And he had that stink to him, you know? [00:11:30] Yeah.

Oh yes. And

Joe Woolworth: I had all the different characters and a bunch of cars and everything and the in the toy box and it was just, everything about it was just. Christmas. Like it's hard to top a Christmas like that when you're a kid.

Yeah. You got all the, all the little things that they tell you you need on TV [00:11:45] for the last year. Just show up in look like you wait and just like galore

Jen Bordeaux: Christmas galore did also for Gen Z'ers, He-Man was b before GI Joe, and it was. Before X-Men and Marvel. Yes. The og. He was a [00:12:00] superhero with a bull hair.

Cut the of loin cloth. Yes. And blonde hair. Yes. And a tiger.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah. Yes. Con in the barbarian basically. Yes. Basically,

Jen Bordeaux: yes. My brother had the whole, what was the villain's name? She, Shera was a badass. Skeletor [00:12:15]

Joe Woolworth: Skeletor. My brother had I got Skeletor's Castle. That just made me remember. Yes, that's

Jen Bordeaux: what my brother had with the slime.

You could put in the Yes, I got that, that

Joe Woolworth: Christmas.

Jen Bordeaux: Yep. That's awesome. Yep. Joe, I feel like we were vibing on Christmases 'cause we had those things. Absolutely. That, yeah, that, that's awesome. I love that. Those [00:12:30] things that stick out. So Dacia, we go from Michigan to Wisconsin over here. I grew up in

DeJah Debon: northern Wisconsin.

You betcha. Yeah. Peter.

Jen Bordeaux: It comes out, guys dont challenge her. Oh, don't you know

Joe Woolworth: I, I moved there, I went to [00:12:45] college there and I met one, one of my professors talked just like the mom for Bobby's World. And I was like, I thought that was made up. No,

Jen Bordeaux: it's real. It's real. Oh, I do 32nd time out for. This is our first episode. The male voice that you hear is Joe.[00:13:00]

Joe Woolworth: Oh, yeah. You know, I thought it would be funny is every time you, you introduce Deja, you're like, the best is Deja. And then you do the, and Joe, and then you do like a thing where you're like, and our producer Joe, and then I just, that

Jen Bordeaux: guy, the guy that makes the [00:13:15] Yes, I'm here too. The man, the myth. The man, man behind the curtain's, behind the screen's, behind all the.

Alright. Yes. The pretty little buttons over there. Yes. Is Joe, he is the studio producer, knows all [00:13:30] the techie things. We just get to show up and talk. Mm-Hmm. And Joe handles the rest. So that's the voice that you were hear, you will hear. I can't believe

Joe Woolworth: I got that trumpet noise out that fast. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Proud of you. Love it. All right. He just, sorry. Sorry for that little Oh man.

DeJah Debon: Yeah, so I'm [00:13:45] super sorry guys, but like I grew up in extreme poverty and all my Christmas presents were from charities that said two girl size, whatever. Ah. It was usually for one of my siblings, and they would, 'cause I was the oldest [00:14:00] of six, and so they would, I'd end up just handing off my gifts, but it brought, it instilled in me.

I'm a very generous person. I, I can attest to that, but I love I, but so for, for my, my Christmas memories are as an [00:14:15] adult. When I made my own life and I adopted my, I've got my beautiful boys and having them entertain me as I unpack my Christmas tree decorations and regale them with the [00:14:30] story of each decoration.

And they play along and they listen like they care. And I love them so much, but each one I'm like, I've had this since 1989. And they're like when my grandmother [00:14:45] can't compute that long ago, mom, thanks. Correct. Yes. And they always ask me things like, so was Jesus. Nice.

TBD. Yes. You're like, so [00:15:00] Napoleon. Good guy.

Jen Bordeaux: I okay. But I love you so much for sharing that. Mm-Hmm. Because that is not everybody gets. Happiness and Christmas and

DeJah Debon: real

Jen Bordeaux: family. I moved on

DeJah Debon: when I

Jen Bordeaux: was 15. Shit, [00:15:15] that's a big, big truth. And that is a very real part of so many lives. And, and so I love that.

DeJah Debon: And which is why I, I just wanna say so much because as a person who doesn't have family, who gets adopted by other people I'm spending Christmas with your family this [00:15:30] year.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. We are so excited to, to bring her into the battle because

DeJah Debon: I, I have filed my application for adoption. Adult guardianship is happening. And pop up, Steve. Yep. Yep. Shout out. Yes. And my brother, my [00:15:45] brother and my sister coming along. Yep. Yes. Yep,

Jen Bordeaux: yep. Yeah. It's a, but, but I, but that's what I love about the, the honesty and our willingness to be so honest and vulnerable about our different experiences that we will share over the, you know, the timeframe of, of this creative endeavor that we're doing is a very [00:16:00] real part of all of that.

And the different memories and nostalgia that we tie to big events like this in the holidays. Yeah. Like we were saying, they can bring up good emotions, bad emotions, both. Right? Yeah. Two truths can exist at the same time. So that's awesome. So thank you [00:16:15] for sharing that. Oh, oh, yeah. And

DeJah Debon: the, the reality is, is that I love the holidays and I've spent years in therapy not becoming severely depressed around the holidays.

'cause when you're. Alone. Right. And your family is your friends, but your friends have [00:16:30] family. Mm-Hmm. You know, and if you're not in a relationship, and even when I, it's ridiculous. Like even in my marriage we didn't, there wasn't any holidays. Mm. Like real so I just, that wasn't a thing. And my only joyful experiences [00:16:45] came when people like you invited me.

To be part of their family. So I didn't really give you a choice. No, that's true.

Jen Bordeaux: I was just like, Hey bud, whatcha you doing for Christmas? And you were like, I don't know. What am I doing for Christmas? It's pretty great that that's kind of how our dynamic works. But I, [00:17:00] I, I will say I'm, I'm very blessed and I think the older I get, the more I realized how blessed and how grateful I am for the fam family dynamic that I do have.

And we, as we've all. Gotten older. There's, there's one grandchild in the mix in our immediate family, [00:17:15] and so we don't focus so much on the presents. We draw names around Thanksgiving on before or around Thanksgiving, and so for all of the adults, and we do it Secret Santa Style. And so we've adopted Deja into that this year, which is super fun.

And so I'm just [00:17:30] excited. I, we all just have such a great time. There's mimosas, there's cranberry cocktails, there's donuts, there's breakfast casserole, there's matching pajamas, but it's, it's.

DeJah Debon: Community and family and love, and people that are. Good people willing to accept other people [00:17:45] in and yeah, and there will

Jen Bordeaux: likely be Christmas karaoke, so I don't think I've told you about that yet, but that usually happens as well.

Joe, you want I an amazing back up dance, Joe. You guys wanna come too?

Joe Woolworth: Maybe. I've never done Christmas karaoke. Sounds like fun.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, it's a good time. It's a good time.

Joe Woolworth: Do you sing Christmas songs or just any song? [00:18:00]

Jen Bordeaux: It's generally starts out with Christmas songs and then it evolves, it divulges Yes. Into whatever,

Joe Woolworth: into dirty Atlanta hip hop.

Yeah.

DeJah Debon: As, as we discussed in our, in our intro, I only know the Felice Navidad portion. Felice Navidad. [00:18:15]

Joe Woolworth: When I was little, I remember we didn't go to church a lot, but when, when. Not when I was super young and when we did go to church, we sang. The song that I could have swore was my name. My name was Joseph, but my mom called me Joey and the song Joey To the World.

Yeah. [00:18:30] Second. And I was like, Joey, this is my jam. You know? It was before I could read obviously, 'cause I wasn't following along. I was like, yeah, Joey did. So just like last year. You know what? For the rest

DeJah Debon: of my existence, every time I hear that, I'm going to hear. Join, join to the world. Yes. [00:18:45]

Jen Bordeaux: If only there was a copy You man.

Only there was a copyright infringement and we could play that, that there was

Joe Woolworth: another one. It's, it's a song. It, it goes, it's the ial. The, and I could have swore was I eat saltines.

DeJah Debon: Oh, that's what, just another [00:19:00] episode. So passionate song lyrics that you adamantly believed were the lyrics Yes. That you sang every time until somebody went.

Huh?

Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

DeJah Debon: Yep.

Joe Woolworth: That it, right. Oh

DeJah Debon: man. It's that. Yeah, it still happens.

Jen Bordeaux: I'm adding that to the list as we speak. Even, [00:19:15] even in, even in my

Joe Woolworth: forties. I'll get caught on that and be like, yep. Been saying that wrong the whole time.

Yes. Yep. Wow. There's a woman,

Joe Woolworth: there's a woman on TikTok that reacts about like, how surprised she is that songs are sexual, like she'll play 'em back, like songs that, you know, she probably heard when she was a kid, a child, and it'd be [00:19:30] like, no, she's 40 or something.

No, no.

DeJah Debon: She heard it as a child.

Joe Woolworth: I don't know. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And then,

DeJah Debon: yeah,

Joe Woolworth: and then 'cause double entendres, every pop song is about. Fucking, I mean, oh, a hundred

Jen Bordeaux: percent.

Joe Woolworth: So even like the love songs that, like whatever, you're a little kid in the car jamming out. You have no idea how [00:19:45] inappropriate things are.

But yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. I think that's a great teaser for another episode. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay, so we are gonna have a, a, a phone number that you can call in. You can leave voicemails, please let, or you can email us at a Restless Mind [00:20:00] podcast@gmail.com and tell us the songs that you've had. Mixed up lyrics to and or no.

That you die hard believed.

Yeah,

Jen Bordeaux: the lyric hot, you saw somebody, yes. You're willing to die on that sword. I love it. One I just saw [00:20:15] on social media recently 'cause with the Deadpool Wolverine movie, which love it. Excellent. Phenomenal. I've seen it multiple times. And this is not a spoiler, but one of the main songs they play towards end this end is Madonna's song.

Yes.

Like a prayer,

Jen Bordeaux: like a prayer. And there's been this, all this stuff I've [00:20:30] seen on social media of like people in church, like church groups singing that song, like a prayer. Oh yeah, yeah. And people like, do you know what that song is actually about?

Joe Woolworth: They didn They didn't catch the music video when it came out.

Yeah, yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: No, they flash back to the eighties YouTube [00:20:45] that. Yeah. No, that's gonna be a great episode. So please, please, please let us know what you're like. Got the lyrics wrong, but man, they should have been right in your mind.

DeJah Debon: A hundred. A hundred, that would be great. Oh my Lord. T vd.

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Jen Bordeaux: Since we're talking about this like the past and good, bad, ugly, right?

It's past, we can't change it. It's there now. As we are talking about the holidays, we're talking about Christmas, ghost of Christmas past, and we're heading into the new year, which is the future. [00:22:00] If you were faced Ramblers with the decision of you had to choose whether you could go back and change something, or you could know your future, you had to make a decision, which one would you choose?

Would you [00:22:15] choose to change something about the past or to know your future?

Joe Woolworth: I have a clarifying question.

Jen Bordeaux: Mm-Hmm. I'll do my best.

Joe Woolworth: I don't wanna ruin the game.

Jen Bordeaux: All right. Wwo.

Joe Woolworth: Changing something in the past. [00:22:30] Does this mean you can add something or delete something, or could you do both?

Jen Bordeaux: I get, I Change by definition changes. A change. Both. Could be either. Yeah. Okay.

Joe Woolworth: Alright.

Jen Bordeaux: Got it. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. He's okay. Got it.

Joe Woolworth: No. My future, no,

Jen Bordeaux: Joe to the world. Okay. That's, [00:22:45]

DeJah Debon: that's mine.

'cause I'm gonna be petty as fuck. So you're gonna what? I wanna, I wanna know. 'cause I, when I was You wanna know the future. Okay. Yeah. 'cause when I was little, they'd be like. Dumb it down. Deja dumb it down. Deja, you'll have to use so many big words, deja. And then I would just sit there and [00:23:00] Wow. Little do you know.

I'm be running a law firm. Mm. Little do you know I'll be a successful homeowner and pay property taxes. Yes. Kiss my ass. Yes. You own nothing and you live in a car so

Jen Bordeaux: you can go [00:23:15] fuck yourself. Thank you. Yep, yep, yep. I think I would I think I would, I don't know what, right. This wasn't part of the question.

I created the question, so I don't have to answer this part, but I think that I would rather change something about the past because it would ultimately change my future. [00:23:30] So. I wouldn't be able to really know about my future, and I don't want to know about my future, because then I feel like it would've really affect my present.

Mm-Hmm.

Jen Bordeaux: So I feel like then alternatively, that means that I would go back and change something about my past.

Joe Woolworth: What would it be?

Jen Bordeaux: I don't [00:23:45] know. That wasn't part of the question, Joe. I didn't have that answer. Oh, I thought that was the question. See, I think if

DeJah Debon: Underlyingly knew that I was gonna be fucking phenomenal that I.

Yeah, I would've, I would've been happier.

Jen Bordeaux: Actually, you know what? I [00:24:00] do know a moment in time that I think maybe you just sparked this. So when I was high school and I had a great time in high school for most days. I was captain the cheer squad, and [00:24:15] in my little podunk country, you such opposite

DeJah Debon: high schools.

I was the wearing black in the corner,

Jen Bordeaux: but we would've been friends. We, we totally would've been friends. I, there was like, I don't know, it was like the, I forget what the acronym was, but it was like the local, [00:24:30] like political club.

DeJah Debon: Okay.

Jen Bordeaux: In the high school. Right. A clue and I forget what it was called.

But anyway, we ran for different seats. I don't remember which, which seat I was running for, but part of my campaign when I got up and spoke in front of the entire, are [00:24:45] you talking about president, vice President, secretary, treasurer, yes. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't remember which office in air quotes I was running for, but I was like.

I said, well, I'm captain of the cheer squad. Mm-Hmm. So I love to talk to people. I love to know all the people. I have a positive [00:25:00] outlook on life like, or you know, and just like things and I wanna learn about people, blah, blah, blah, blah. And people gave me so much shit for that, for saying that I was the captain of the cheerleading squad and that makes me an outgoing person and cheerful and like all this kinds of stuff.

And I got so much I don't wanna call it [00:25:15] hate 'cause that's seems a strong word. How dare you, woman? Yeah. Branch out. And I didn't, and, and I didn't, I didn't get it. And clearly I'm still holding onto that. Right. It's fine. But I, I think if I could go back and I felt very bad for that. Oh, I should minimize myself.

I shouldn't have. [00:25:30] Said that I shouldn't, it sounds, it sounds like social

DeJah Debon: conditioning.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. I shouldn't have used this thing that I was proud of as a platform to try to argue my point as to why I would be a good representative of something whenever I was already a representative. Yes. Of the school and a very cheerful.[00:25:45]

Fluffy. Yay. I'm happy. Manner man. Made

DeJah Debon: you would've been an amazing student council president. Thank you. I'm just saying. I appreciate that. I would've voted for you, so fuck those people in the, in the corner with my black clothes.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. Yes. Yes. So I think I would've, I would've changed how I felt [00:26:00] after

Joe Woolworth: we just went full breakfast class.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Legit. We shirted block ourselves in the library. Yes. Fist up. We're all doing fist up right now. Again, I wish we could play songs. Hey, Hey.[00:26:15]

DeJah Debon: Fist pumping.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, I don't know. That's the first thing that came to my mind. If I could change that about myself, because I think. Where I'm at in my life now and the, the things are about to transition as we go into the new year. There are similar feelings there, right? The whole imposter [00:26:30] syndrome feeling.

DeJah Debon: Fuck your self-doubt.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Yes. If, if Deja could give a Christmas present to anyone. That's correct. It is that Mm-hmm. Wrapped in a very sparkly, bedazzled bow. Oh,

DeJah Debon: oh girl. You know, I love a sparkle.[00:26:45]

Jen Bordeaux: Oh, alright Joe. So, okay, Joe. So what would you change? All

Joe Woolworth: right, so this is a, is very practical a caveat. I, I don't think that money makes things a lot easier. However, I'm entering [00:27:00] into a season of life where I'm gonna have two kids in college.

So

Joe Woolworth: I would rewind back to, I don't know, like six years ago when I put some money into Dogecoin and it'll put like a thousand dollars into it.

Jen Bordeaux: Okay.

Joe Woolworth: Then I [00:27:15] would've pulled it out when I had enough to pay for college.

Jen Bordeaux: Mm-Hmm.

Joe Woolworth: I don't want, I don't want that life changing money stuff that messes people up. I just want that to be taken care of. This part

DeJah Debon: you a financial security comfort level. Yeah.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And for a hundred dollars, that stupid thing that became popular, I'm gonna say,

DeJah Debon: okay, [00:27:30] I'm gonna change my answer.

I want somebody to go back and tell me, back in the eighties, hey. So when you turn 18, in 1998, I'm gonna need you to start investing all of your waitressing money into Apple.

Jen Bordeaux: Right? Okay. So let's, let's, okay, so let's, for anyone that is [00:27:45] in the camp of gin I know nothing about this whole gin.

J

Jen Bordeaux: the camp of Jen, JEN or GIN because I love both because I love me and I love GIN as well.

DeJah Debon: This is the Gen Jen camp.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes, gen squared. If [00:28:00] you're fun if you're nasty, Ms. Jackson, if you're nasty. Okay, so. Doge. Oh, you about to ask, you explain something. I was like, Doja cat. What? So no, no, no. It's a Bitcoin. Yes. Like thing because it's a thing in [00:28:15] family law as well, right? Becoming, it's like marital property and some people separate.

I'm not an attorney. I cannot give legal advice before. I cannot speak in depth on the division of marital property. However, Bitcoin is a part of that. So. But it [00:28:30] just seems like this foreign abstract concept to me.

Joe Woolworth: It kind of is. I don't know. So I'm not an expert in it either. I got involved in it when Robin Hood came out 'cause it seemed like a fun scratch off lottery ticket, kind of a game to play.

Jen Bordeaux: Mm-Hmm. Okay.

Joe Woolworth: And I did. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I [00:28:45] got enough to buy a really nice leather jacket and some boots for my motorcycle and Nice. And it for 20 bucks. I felt like winning a scratcher. But I don't really know what it is. I think, like my gut says it's made up and everybody should avoid it.

If you treat it like, [00:29:00] like a like a lottery ticket thing, I think that's okay. But man, it's, I think it's like anything else, like it's so volatile. You have no control. Yep. It's like it's a sharecropping situation. You're in somebody else's field doing work for them.

Jen Bordeaux: Okay. They can

Joe Woolworth: [00:29:15] change the rules and you, you just lose everything.

You just have

Jen Bordeaux: to live by 'em.

Joe Woolworth: Yeah. So I, I mean that's why I was okay, but that's kinda I was very specific. That's why I would do like that at that time, and then I would sell it and I'd have to pay for college.

Jen Bordeaux: But that's kinda like the, the. Correct me if I'm wrong. This might be like the bank, right?[00:29:30]

Oh, it's, we just put our money in the bank and we play by their rules and it's all shared. And however,

DeJah Debon: however, they're the FDIC, here we go does protect us with our bank. Right? Yeah. And they're. I, I would absolute I [00:29:45] from the beginning. And of course I am a Luddite that lives under a rock. Let's all be clear here.

That's not true. She lives in a very cute house, so I, I see Bitcoin, doge, all of that. What you're doing is a collective residual [00:30:00] of monies transferred, right? And you are collecting what is remnant essentially. That's why they go out and they like search it, right? They're out there. They're mining it.

They're mining for that one penny here. [00:30:15] One penny. One penny. One penny. One penny. One penny. And this is very obviously capitalistic based because we're out here endlessly shifting money. I do it all. I do it every day for work, right? Yeah. Except I do mine to the exact penny, so I don't know what

Jen Bordeaux: trust accounts, right?

DeJah Debon: Yep. So it's, it's fascinating to me that [00:30:30] there's so much loose money, seemingly. 'cause I, I. I don't know. That's what I got from Ashton Kutcher when I listened to him try to explain it to me. Yeah.

Joe Woolworth: Here's a funny, here's a funny Dogecoin story. So I sold it all. 'cause I was like, well it's never gonna get any better than that.[00:30:45]

And you can't, for whatever reason, the way Robinhood worked, like I took out a round number and so I still own like this. Like you said, leftover remainder of Dogecoin. Mm-hmm. And then Trump announced that he's inventing the Department of Government. Efficiency [00:31:00] that doesn't

DeJah Debon: exist because Elon Musk is going to run.

Joe Woolworth: And the news, I'm sorry,

Jen Bordeaux: but government efficiency is an, is a very oxymoronic term. It's the den,

Joe Woolworth: the redundancy department, redundancy, the but anyways, the news said it was the Doge department. Mm-Hmm. And that boosted this fraction [00:31:15] of a penny by 16% a day for a couple weeks. And now I got like another 20 bucks in there.

DeJah Debon: He also came Rich. It was the same. You watched Rich Soul. It's so funny 'cause you watch same like influx where he, you know, Trump was like, Bitcoin is terrible, you know, [00:31:30] blah blah, blah bad. And then. He meets with some high dollar donors. Right? And then, oh man, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Right? Yeah. And then you, you similarly, you can literally watch through social media and then watch financial [00:31:45] trends in the stock market. 'cause I, in the past I've had a traded stocks for incorporation. But anyway, who are you right now? I'm kidding. I've had many lives. But like you can, you can watch those trends.

Mm-Hmm. That's one of the things, how my brain functions is just patterns and it's like. Yep. Mm-Hmm. [00:32:00] You can watch the influence. You can watch all that. That rules and rides when it comes to something that is hypothetical and abstract. It's just fascinating to me because it's not a real tangible thing.

You can't go to the bank. Nope. The way you non

Joe Woolworth: fungible,

DeJah Debon: right?

Joe Woolworth: Yeah.

DeJah Debon: [00:32:15] Yes, yes. Yeah. I don't, but nonetheless, people, they had to make

Joe Woolworth: up a word that was less scary than just saying It's not real. It's not non fun. Fungible.

DeJah Debon: Oh, that's fun. Fact, I always think about fungus every time I hear that word. 100%. I love some fungi.

Yeah. [00:32:30]

Jen Bordeaux: Joe, are you a fun guy?

Joe Woolworth: Oh man.

I was trying to come up with another mushroom pun. Oh man. I couldn't get anything to spin off a shi way, way, way. I wanted to.

Jen Bordeaux: Let's, [00:32:45] yeah. Yeah. You know what we talked about our most. Okay. Present day. We're gonna bring you back to the holidays because Yes, yes. Merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy Kwanza.

Like happy krisa, Kwanzaa. I don't know. Happy.

DeJah Debon: Whatever makes you feel [00:33:00] sassy and fun this season.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. What is your, I'm, I'm gonna take a little negative right now because that's the reality of life as well. Okay. What's your least favorite thing about the holiday season? Oh, the shopping. Mm.

DeJah Debon: Physical in person shopping.

I'm happy to be a Herman at home and have things [00:33:15] delivered to me.

Jen Bordeaux: Guys, why are the lines so long still? Because to your point, okay. Amazon change the world. Yes. Prime Day delivery. Black Friday Shopping Cyber Monday. Yep. Why? I was at Target, not an ad the other [00:33:30] day. And Christmas music blaring all of the holiday things that have been out since Labor Day.

Why are the long lines already so long and still so long? Even Target has great online shopping. Why?

Joe Woolworth: I have a theory share.

DeJah Debon: I, I'm gonna go [00:33:45] with shareholders requiring money that requires them to put enough staff members on as cashier.

Jen Bordeaux: Okay. All right. I like this theory. Joe, what's your camp?

Joe Woolworth: All right, so here's my theory.

I like Christmas shopping in a very [00:34:00] small dose.

DeJah Debon: What is wrong with

Joe Woolworth: you? Yes. You can't be friends. I have to be, it has to be, I have to be in the mood. Yes. It has to be close enough to Christmas where it feels Christmasy and my wife. Does all [00:34:15] of the Christmas shopping and this, I'm not complaining. That's amazing.

And she does it all through Amazon and she buys everybody great gifts. And there's always like this little mournful pine like at the end. I'm like, what about Christmas shopping? Because I used to, I used to like to go when everything's decorated and it's [00:34:30] great. And so I think that's why the lines are so long is because the mood doesn't strike most middle aged men, men, men, until five minutes before the thing.

DeJah Debon: Oh. I mean, that's why you never go the day before.

Joe Woolworth: But

DeJah Debon: I'll all [00:34:45] husbands and boyfriends. I was about Yes

Jen Bordeaux: it is. It is a mall. Oh my god. Mall. I don't know if you're talking about gonna the mall. Yes. Because if so, like a hundred you would, there's a superhero power in that right in it, because my dad is the same way.

Yeah. He will go and, and he and my stepmom's anniversary is New Year's Day. Yeah. Is [00:35:00] January 1st, and I think her birthday is like the day after Christmas. So he will go, go knock out. Christmas birthday anniversary shopping all on Christmas Eve. And I'm like, you Lord have mercy. I'm like, torture, apparently.

Right? That's [00:35:15] insane. Like that. He should be part of the suicide squad, right? I don't know what his name would be, but Wow. He should be part of the Suicide squad. That's a character under dc. You need a new character. Yes. His name is Gary, the

DeJah Debon: Christmas EAP shop.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah. Christmas or Gary, the Christmas shopper.

I don't know that, that's not, [00:35:30] that's not intimidating me, Gary. But yeah, I dunno. I dunno. We'll come up

DeJah Debon: with some sweet Gary. The lines are

Joe Woolworth: tough though. I don't know how the lines can ruin. What's a really a fun thing? I'm gonna buy you something 'cause I like you. Yes.

DeJah Debon: That is a de, that is love. Yes. That is love.

The

Joe Woolworth: lion can suck the fun out it. And [00:35:45] also waiting so long, being in like this, I've had this happen to me multiple times. You're in a great mood. It's Christmas, I'm gonna do it. Everything's gone. The quick, like that whole like, I'm gonna shop for you 'cause I love you. It quickly turns into oh my gosh, I don't have anything to give this person that I love.[00:36:00]

I'm gonna give him like a S sock.

Yes. And

Joe Woolworth: like half of a use. Sponge that's like that I just found. Yeah,

Jen Bordeaux: just make sure fill that sponge. Make can, it can, it can be soaked up. Teaser next episode. Yes. But you're [00:36:15] so, or like you just default to your brain does, doesn't compute and you're like, gift cards.

Gift cards will work. Get gift cards. Yeah,

DeJah Debon: yeah. No, but I do, I do go to the mall once a year. I have teenage boys and you like they hate everything and only like to pick things out. You [00:36:30] know, it's the era of whatever you buy them, they're not gonna like it.

I remember like last

DeJah Debon: year, like I swear to God, like all the money I spent on these high end jeans, whatever, whatnot, my youngest never even wore 'em.

So this, you know, I just learned, I was like, [00:36:45] just tell me what you want. Yeah, make my life easy. Please. Just, I don't wanna waste any money. You're just gonna put it in the back of your closet. Like just, just tell me what you want. And has it, has it always been

Jen Bordeaux: that way? Like I feel like when I was like your, 'cause I know your sons and their ages and I feel like when I [00:37:00] was in high school.

I loved the surprise. Granted, Amazon wasn't a thing. I know. Listen, my wrinkles aren't that bad. All right. I'm not that old, but these are, these, these are, I don't know if it's a boy girl thing. Maybe but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I, well, but I guess I had friends that they knew exactly what they were getting, but I [00:37:15] don't know.

I, I, and I still I revel in my mom, don't get me wrong. I, I

DeJah Debon: find shit that I'm like, no, this is cool. And you're gonna wear this because I said it's cool.

Jen Bordeaux: Shout out to Cheryl Shire if you really know her. Cheryl, she is the [00:37:30] best stalking stuffer. Mm. Like the little thing. Listen, y'all, this family

DeJah Debon: has the coolest Santa.

It's cooler than anyone else's Santa. Oh man. Just wanna let you know I

Joe Woolworth: screwed up. Jealous. Like shocking last year so bad. I gotta make it up for it this year.

Jen Bordeaux: Oh man. She [00:37:45] like for all of us last year, even with my now ex significant other who shall not be named because it does deserve the airtime. We

DeJah Debon: have Voldemort.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. She got us all desk calendars and she went through everyone's [00:38:00] calendar. On random pieces of paper would write little notes, either like happy birthday to whoever's birthday it was, or it's Friday you got this. Or Monday you can make it through the week. Like all these little motivational things, like

DeJah Debon: this is why I've put in my application for her to [00:38:15] be my mother.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes. Oh, and it's the small things, but like it's time. Right. And that the time is the finite gift. Yep. That we all have, that you can give someone. And so I love those little things that I love that she's instilled in me that I can hopefully [00:38:30] carry on. And such a great gift to give because, you know, in those moments, like she's taking so much of her time.

Granted she's retired.

DeJah Debon: Yep.

Jen Bordeaux: But she's taking those moments in her time to go through those little calendars, to write those little messages and they mine was a dog calendar. Which was great. Right? Who [00:38:45] doesn't love dogs? And it was like fun facts about dogs and like film facts about dogs or like whatever.

And so she, it was just, it was the best and it meant so much. And she probably doesn't even know. So I hope she listens to this episode. Mm-Hmm. And, and hears this. But those small little things are just the best. Absolutely.

DeJah Debon: No, it's like [00:39:00] one of something that I always, I'll spend all year banking Christmas presents.

Mm. If I, whatever I, you're like, oh, you like that? Okay. I have a closet. Oh, you said that was cool.

Jen Bordeaux: Oh, [00:39:15] sorry. The worst. I wanna give a gift, like as soon as I, I get so excited. I wanna give

DeJah Debon: it

Jen Bordeaux: right away,

DeJah Debon: which is why your, your family's holiday concept was very difficult for me because I already got you, Chris.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes, because

DeJah Debon: I

Jen Bordeaux: squirrel things. Yay for me. [00:39:30] Oh, that I don't know. That's awesome. That's

Joe Woolworth: true. People that are good at stockings are probably squirrels.

Jen Bordeaux: Yeah, yeah. My mom, because it's

Joe Woolworth: too hard as the guy that tries to go out and shop once to find 40 cool things. Yes,

DeJah Debon: yes. To fit into this square, there's a

Joe Woolworth: sense of [00:39:45] panic and dread that sets in when I got five shitty things in the cart.

And I'm like, this does not a stocking make.

Jen Bordeaux: No, it's not gonna be fake. So here's a tip. Stop the oranges at the bottom. Here's a chicken trick

DeJah Debon: you take. Yeah. You shove something in and then you put some [00:40:00] Some paper, right, some wrapping paper and then you shove something else in and you make it look full. I pulling it belly.

I'm just hoping

Joe Woolworth: you out. Yeah. Oh, chapstick.

Jen Bordeaux: Okay. Make sure it's Bert be Yes Burt Bees. And it'll go, it'll go to the distance and you just look.

DeJah Debon: You look her right in the eye, man. You look [00:40:15] right in. You're like. Yeah, that's Kissable baby.

Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: You just gave her the gift of love. Yes. Use that. That's romance.

Romance.

Jen Bordeaux: Oh, listen guys, just listen to us for [00:40:30] tips and tricks to save your relationship. No, this is great. Okay, one last question and then we'll wrap this up for the holidays and send you on your merry way. Favorite Christmas song? Holiday song if you don't celebrate Christmas, but you're listening to it 'cause the radio [00:40:45] forces you too.

So favorite holiday song?

DeJah Debon: Oh man, that's not cool. 'cause I'm gonna have to look up what the actual title of the song is.

Jen Bordeaux: Well, you can sing it. We'll figure it out. I bet Joe is. Joe to the world.[00:41:00]

Joe Woolworth: Was that angels I've heard on high.

DeJah Debon: Guys are picking up what? I'm humming down.

Jen Bordeaux: What? I'm humming down? Yes. Oh man.

Joe Woolworth: [00:41:15] It's that Taylor Swift song Down. Bad crying at the gym for

Jen Bordeaux: Okay. But I've seen this sweatshirt that's like down bad check, crying. Check at the gym, not check.

Joe Woolworth: No, I think for me, so our Family Christmas movie, we decorate, we watch a, we [00:41:30] watch Elf

with Will Ferrell.

Excellent.

Joe Woolworth: So any one of those songs like pennies from Heaven. The, the creepy predatory song where the guys are trying to convince the girl to stay in by Oh, the reap

DeJah Debon: song. Yes, yes, yes. Know exactly Wild and Will Doubles Down By Wild [00:41:45] By

Joe Woolworth: Getting In the Shower with Zoey DE's character. No

Jen Bordeaux: one can find you.

Yes. Got it. Why am I blank on the name of that song?

Joe Woolworth: Baby. It's called Outside. Yes,

DeJah Debon: baby. It's We Outside. There we go.

Joe Woolworth: Okay. Yeah. Anything from that? I think it was a Saturday.

DeJah Debon: I love Saturday Night Live. And I [00:42:00] think they did a bid on that where they They did, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I

Joe Woolworth: think John Legend was in the scale.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised. Was so bad.

DeJah Debon: Yes. It's so bad. We legitimately break it down. Yes. And then

Joe Woolworth: they tried to fix it and it's no, it's fine the other way. Don't worry about that. [00:42:15] Baby, it's cold outside. But your decision, it's your body it choice. Yeah. Right. Its like, alright, alright. You know we don't need to fix it though.

Yes. We recognize that it's creepy. Yep. But just leave it alone.

Jen Bordeaux: I'm surprised you didn't [00:42:30] say Felise. Navi died.

DeJah Debon: I'm, I'm bored of it. It's endlessly strolling through my mind. I'm done.

Jen Bordeaux: I would have maybe unpopular penant. A Pentin Jesus opinion is, I love Santa Baby. [00:42:45] Mm. And the original by Eartha Kit

Santa.

Yes.

Jen Bordeaux: I don't know it just feels a little classic and it's bitch, give me what I want.

DeJah Debon: What's that? Know girl I love a good shimmy that's always in there. A little shimmy. Yeah. What's that

Joe Woolworth: dirty one that's in that same timeline where it's [00:43:00] like Santa's stuck in my chimney.

Jen Bordeaux: That is that one. Oh my, no, I thought that.

No, no,

Joe Woolworth: no. It's like a, it's like a earth. It's like an Eartha kit or Ella Fitzgerald, but it's like Santa stuck in my chimney. It

DeJah Debon: the thirties when all of these movies, or excuse me, when all these Santa is songs, I'm Googling Santa is

Jen Bordeaux: there, [00:43:15] got. No, this can't be right. 'cause it says when Santa got stuck up the chimney by kid zone.

So that's can't, that can't be, no, that can't be it. That can't

be it. No,

DeJah Debon: no. Stuck up the chimney. Was it? And I'm like, we came from the [00:43:30] same northern culture because they all the clicking winter.

Jen Bordeaux: Ella Fitzgerald, well, Santa Claus is coming to town.

Joe Woolworth: No. Santa Claus got stuck in my chimneys considered to be.

It's a classic song. It's a double entendre. Stuck in my chimney can be interpreted little. Well, we know what it means. Okay.

Jen Bordeaux: [00:43:45] Right when

Joe Woolworth: when Santa

Jen Bordeaux: got stuck in the chimney, he began to shout. Yeah. Ella Fitzgerald. Yeah. You girls and boys won't get any toys if you don't pull me out. Oh my God.

Joe Woolworth: It's the dirtiest song you've ever heard, but it's just like a regular Christmas [00:44:00] song.

Like totally goes over all the kids' heads

Jen Bordeaux: Give it a listen, everybody. Ella Fit.

Joe Woolworth: Santa got stuck in my chimney. My beard is

Jen Bordeaux: black. There's my nose is a tickling tool. Yeah, there's soot in my sack. My nose is a tickling tool. When Santa got [00:44:15] stuck in the chimney, I chew, I chew, I chew. I can't guys, all right.

Go listen to that. I don't know what else to say. My is

DeJah Debon: black, top or bottom.

Jen Bordeaux: I don't where do we go from there? That's. At Merry Christmas. Happy [00:44:30] holidays guys. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for rambling with us. I guess if you learned anything from this episode, it's Enjoy Your Nostalgic Christmas change things if you can't look forward to the future, and. I don't know.

Appreciate double

DeJah Debon: [00:44:45] entendres. Damn straight. Yeah. Yep. As an American. Happy Thanksgiving, happy native American Day. Let's not forget Columbus, let, forget where that shit actually came from and Columbus was lost as folk trying to get to India, but guess what? Didn't get there. But yeah, [00:45:00] so happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Americans.

That was a couple weeks ago, so we hope you had a right. Good Thanksgiving. But as I say this, right now, I'm expressing and manifesting joy for everyone. Also, yeah, happy. Whatever you choose to celebrate after Thanksgiving.

Jen Bordeaux: Yes.

DeJah Debon: [00:45:15] Whatever brings you joy. And if you set healthy boundaries for yourself and choose not to go to different events and not to engage with people right now, it's totally okay.

Yes. And go ahead and say it's totally okay to set boundaries for yourself, for your mental health. We're gonna change, we're gonna evolve, we're gonna come together. [00:45:30] But just saying holidays can be really tough. Yeah. Takes, it's, it take time for you. Take care of yourself, do it good for you. If it's gonna be stressful, walk away.

Yeah. Don't, don't do it. Set, set up pol. You know, there's plenty of people out there in the same situation. Oops. Set up little, I don't [00:45:45] know. Your own holidays together. Yeah.

Jen Bordeaux: Take care of yourself. Mm-Hmm. Mentally, physically, emotionally. Yep. And, joey to the world.

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